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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - PaulP - 04-21-2023
(04-21-2023, 04:31 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Not always Pauly. Some Italians seem to be ashamed of their heritage and/or just dont give a crap about proper pronunciation. Perfect example is Leigh Mon-tag-na who went to great lengths to butcher it on purpose. Recently Josh Ro-shell-i's dad explained that the proper way is Ra-keh-leh but everyone uses Ro-shell-i. Only recent one who bothers to correct everyone is Chris Pet-truck-a. Even our former Formula 1 ace Danny Rick-ardo doesnt pronounce his name properly. As you will know, proper pronunciation is Rich-arrdo with an accent or role on the rr. I have been in Italy watching Italian F1 telecasts and they pronounce it properly thank god.
Yes, I guess some people will have their own reasons for ignoring the rules. If Cincotta himself prefers "Sincotta" then so be it. We have to respect that. But it seems bizarre. It doesn't make it any less woggy or any easier to pronounce. Sin or Chin ?
I could partly understand someone like Camporeale letting "Camporelli" go through uncorrected. The correct pronunciation is a bit harder than its incorrect variant.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - Gointocarlton - 04-21-2023
(04-21-2023, 04:37 AM)Mav link Wrote:WASurfer, I agree Cincotta is a like-for-like replacement for Saad (or at least as close as we could find outside last week’s team), but that doesn’t mean he will inherit Saad’s role. I think the “next man up” philosophy has its limits and until Cincotta can prove himself in the seniors he won’t be treated as Saad Mk 2. Newman would now be the leader of the small/midsized defenders.The beauty of Cincotta is every one of his kicks are planner and well excuted on both sides. None of this kick in hope aorund the corner crap. He reminds me alot of Heath Scotland in both running and kicking style. Heath was the best kick our football club has ever seen IMO and we have had some beauties. If Cincotta is half as good a kick he'll be ok.
That leaves us with 2 tall defenders in Weets and Young, tallish defenders in Gov & Plowman/Kemp (or maybe even JSOS), Newman and Cowan. Cincotta may be the 7th defender. Much depends on what we do with Young and Weets. Having some height isn’t a bad thing as the Saints might throw Marshall forward and he’s not a bad forward. But if Membrey and Owen are their talls, what do we do with Weets and Young? Weets did say he’ll likely be on Membrey at some stage but he also said he prefers to play deeper and Membrey prefers to play as a link man and that’s not an ideal match up for him. He also noted Membrey has a good vertical jump and that seemed to concern him. Can Young play smaller on mobile forwards like Owen or does he need to play on a tall marking forward? In a recent game, Young had the fastest sprint for our boys: 33.7 km/h. Remember that Dustin Fletcher was very tall (198 cm) but he regularly played on small forwards such as Phil Matera and we all still have nightmares over the rundown tackle of Jeff Garlett to force a draw. Maybe he can do the same sort of job for us on a small who marks well above his head. The concern is whether he has the necessary agility.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - dodge - 04-21-2023
There was a Cincotta at school in the 80s - pronounced Sin....
I don't have a good vibe about the game - we don't often perform well when there is pressure to do so.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - Mav - 04-21-2023
I haven’t followed the VFL closely enough to have much to say about Cincotta. But if he does possess elite kicking skills, it’s outrageous he’s had to wait until 26 for his first opportunity. Yes, he had an ACL injury a year or two back, but still…
Having watched the replay of last week’s VFL game, Kemp’s kicking was very shaky. He seemed to lack confidence in it and compensated by giving his short passes a bit of air and they tended to fall a bit short. That ended in disaster when he took a mark in the back pocket from a kick out and then floated a pass to a team mate in the hot spot. It would have hit his team mate on the chest but the oddly named Steely Green had plenty of time to intercept. Fortunately for Kemp, Green missed the easy set shot. I hope that Kemp’s kicking is usually of a higher quality.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - madbluboy - 04-21-2023
(04-21-2023, 04:31 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Not always Pauly. Some Italians seem to be ashamed of their heritage and/or just dont give a crap about proper pronunciation. Perfect example is Leigh Mon-tag-na who went to great lengths to butcher it on purpose. Recently Josh Ro-shell-i's dad explained that the proper way is Ra-keh-leh but everyone uses Ro-shell-i. Only recent one who bothers to correct everyone is Chris Pet-truck-a. Even our former Formula 1 ace Danny Rick-ardo doesnt pronounce his name properly. As you will know, proper pronunciation is Rich-arrdo with an accent or role on the rr. I have been in Italy watching Italian F1 telecasts and they pronounce it properly thank god.
My wife got corrected on how to say her own surname at an Italian club once.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - Gointocarlton - 04-21-2023
(04-21-2023, 05:45 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:My wife got corrected on how to say her own surname at an Italian club once.One thing about the Italian language, there are none of these words where there are multiple versions spelt differently but pronounced the same. In Italian, how the word is written is how it's pronounced.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-21-2023
(04-21-2023, 04:21 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Chin-COT-taMy wife agree's....she says the Cincotta's ran the greengrocery in Station St Box Hill for years and thats how they pronounced their name.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - LP - 04-21-2023
I grew up with a bunch of Cincottas, quite a large clan, one of them became a backing vocalist and musician with John Farnham's band.
As far as I know they all pronounce it Sin-Cotta, but who cares, isn't it really down to the family how they pronounce their own name?
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - PaulP - 04-21-2023
Whilst this discussion has strayed well off topic, I think the salient issue is whether folks (in this case Italian folks) need to stick to the rules of pronunciation, or whether they are free to determine the pronunciation of their names as they see fit, especially in a country where Italian is not the first language. I say it's a little odd, but not unreasonable.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda - LP - 04-21-2023
I work with Yi Yu Fa, I think that is the official order of names, he pronounces it David but with Aaah instead of Aa.