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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 07:35 AM)Macca37 link Wrote:Take the time to watch McClure. You obviously do not like him but I doubt you would find much to criticise.
With regard to skill execution, we lag far behind opposition clubs because (a) we specialise in recruiting players with poor skills, and (b) we make no effort to improve what limited ability they have.
It has been that way for years and our solution seems to be to change the coach every few years.
I don't have Foxtel, but there is plenty of AFL 360 etc. on Youtube. I've watched enough to know there's no need to waste any more time. I should add that my issues are not just Maclure, but most of his ilk and the Murdoch media in general. The way they operate is by now well known and understood for those who take an interest.
I generally agree with the bit in bold.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Lods - 04-21-2021
We've been smashed on all the footy shows this week.
The common themes are Recruitment, Development and Effort.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - madbluboy - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 07:26 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but this has been your opinion for about 10 years ?
David King said it about 4 years ago and had the data to back it up, I'm just rehashing what he said. Everyone wants to play a certain way and the opposition's pressure is what is getting in the way of that. We are consistently a poor pressure side and this year rank last. If you play a team of equal talent and they provide significantly more pressure than you how are you supposed to win?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Baggers - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 07:07 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Take our score in the Port game and reverse the G/B. 14.9 instead of 9.14. Naturally the naysayers will say the scoreline flattered us etc., but I say that's only because we can't kick straight. It's not like they had twice the tackles, twice the I50's, twice the marks inside 50, half the turnovers etc. They were fast, clean and kicked straight, and we were the opposite.
Now Pauly, that is 'what if' thinking. Reality is if one of those points of ours is a goal, it goes back to the centre and a different game commences.
And please do watch what Sellers has to say... it sure aint lazy. What comes across is hurt, not sensationalism, not shock jock, not shallow... but real McCoy hurt that a club he loves so much is floundering so badly. And his solution suggestions have serious merit.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 07:54 AM)Lods link Wrote:We've been smashed on all the footy shows this week.
The common themes are Recruitment, Development and Effort.
I assume no further effort is required to kick 14.9 than to kick 9.14 ?
I'm not suggesting everything is hunky dory, nor am I suggesting we don't have plenty to work on, but all this sky-is-falling stuff is IMO premature, not really backed up by the last 15,20 games and for a trigger happy club like the CFC, is virtually guaranteed to lead us into trouble.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 08:02 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:David King said it about 4 years ago and had the data to back it up, I'm just rehashing what he said. Everyone wants to play a certain way and the opposition's pressure is what is getting in the way of that. We are consistently a poor pressure side and this year rank last. If you play a team of equal talent and they provide significantly more pressure than you how are you supposed to win?
Kicking straight is probably a good start. In 4 years we have had 2 coaches and about ?? 30,40 list changes. Those two coaches seem, if not diametrically opposed, then certainly very different. How do we address this pressure issue ? Because I'll be buggered if I know. Coach and list changes don't seem to help.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 08:15 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I assume no further effort is required to kick 14.9 than to kick 9.14 ?Paul...Premature??...think Sellars time frame was 20 years wasnt it?
I'm not suggesting everything is hunky dory, nor am I suggesting we don't have plenty to work on, but all this sky-is-falling stuff is IMO premature, not really backed up by the last 15,20 games and for a trigger happy club like the CFC, is virtually guaranteed to lead us into trouble.
re: Stats...Richmond often lose a lot of the main stats in home and away games and still win Premierships.
IMHO Port played a gear down and only did what they had to do given they only had 20 fit players to rotate.....last time we lost by one kick to them, if you want to argue stats they beat us by 4-5 goals this time, how is that progress? Does that mean Port have improved more than us or we have gone backwards?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 08:12 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Now Pauly, that is 'what if' thinking. Reality is if one of those points of ours is a goal, it goes back to the centre and a different game commences.Agreed Baggers, that wasnt a rant by any stretch, he is hurting like many other who have spilt blood for the club.
And please do watch what Sellers has to say... it sure aint lazy. What comes across is hurt, not sensationalism, not shock jock, not shallow... but real McCoy hurt that a club he loves so much is floundering so badly. And his solution suggestions have serious merit.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-21-2021
(04-21-2021, 08:23 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Paul...Premature??...think Sellars time frame was 20 years wasnt it?
re: Stats...Richmond often lose a lot of the main stats in home and away games and still win Premierships.
IMHO Port played a gear down and only did what they had to do given they only had 20 fit players to rotate.....last time we lost by one kick to them, if you want to argue stats they beat us by 4-5 goals this time, how is that progress? Does that mean Port have improved more than us or we have gone backwards?
Sellers betrays his blatant pandering to negative supporter tropes when he says that. To us on the outside, we see the club as a continuum, but those who are there now and who are new should not be crucified for what came before, for individuals and decisions over which they have no control. Surely Teague et al deserve to be given a fair chance, without being brought down by what came before ?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-21-2021
Being upset about being losers for 20 plus years is a negative supporter trope??? Wtf?