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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 11-24-2020
Technically, a pardon doesn’t imply guilt. Some pardons have been given to people who’ve served their time and even those who’ve died to expunge guilt. But in the court of public opinion it might leave a stain.
I doubt that would worry Trump. If Pence ends up giving him a pardon, he’d say it was necessary to stop the Democrats persecuting him over fake news hoaxes and his supporters wouldn’t doubt that for a second. But I think he’d revel in the bad boy image anyway. He’s never been a guy who has presented himself as a moral exemplar. He wants to be seen as a strongman who’s beyond the reach of his enemies and above the law.
But it would make quite the double, wouldn’t it? He’d be an impeached President who received a pardon. That would put him one up on Nixon as Nixon wasn’t actually impeached. That would be sure to impress Roger Stone. Wonder if he has enough room left on his back for a tattoo of Trump?
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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 11-24-2020
It seems that the POTUS can pardon himself:
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/us-election-2020/us-election-2020-trump-pardons-turkey/ckhwfe3oo000d0gp1u9ry9uvu
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 11-25-2020
(11-24-2020, 10:51 PM)Mav link Wrote:Technically, a pardon doesn’t imply guilt. Now this is what does my head in... if a pardon doesn't imply guilt, WTF does it imply and what is its use then? Some pardons have been given to people who’ve served their time for a crime and even those who’ve died to expunge guilt from a crime or wrongdoing I presume. But in the court of public opinion it might leave a stain. That ship has well and truly sailed... outside of those 'rusted on' Republicans, the world knows that Trump is as guilty as all getout for all manner of crimes. I'm really only wondering what is going on inside his head (hence reading and watching Mary T's input - she knows him better than any of us, which helps prevent useless 2nd guessing).
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 11-25-2020
(11-24-2020, 11:31 PM)DJC link Wrote:It seems that the POTUS can pardon himself:
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/us-election-2020/us-election-2020-trump-pardons-turkey/ckhwfe3oo000d0gp1u9ry9uvu
Thanks David, bet it's beautiful in your part of the world today... sensational on the Island.
I wish they'd reported on Donny's response to the question of him pardoning himself from one of the journos. Would have been fascinating.
His media conference today was fascinating... 1 minute of how he and his administration has created the best ever Dow... though others are reporting the strong Dow is due to Biden's cabinet, especially their liking of the finance woman, who is apparently deeply respected by financial markets and gurus. Does his narcissism know no bounds... a rhetorical question of course.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 11-25-2020
Remember, he warned that if Biden were elected, the Dow would crash. I guess he’d argue that Biden didn’t win and he did :
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 11-25-2020
Trump’s 2018 Turkey Pardon Bizarrely Foreshadowed 2020 Election, HuffPost.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 11-25-2020
(11-25-2020, 01:20 AM)Mav link Wrote:Remember, he warned that if Biden were elected, the Dow would crash. I guess he’d argue that Biden didn’t win and he did :
Without attributing markets to any one person, place, animal or thing, the current rally on the back of middling vaccine news is doomed to fail.
Why?
They have become very forward looking on the back of the recent Vax news. The ASX has well and truly gone into lift off.
I expect a correction will occur when the news drops on the back of how quickly vax can actually be given and become effective. This is way too quick an economic recovery given the headwinds.
When you see current values so far above the moving averages its destined for a pull back.
Donnie can say what he likes about the Dow, but if you really want to see lift off, the stimulus package that they are waiting for will really kick it along.
So far, this is all shot in the arm stuff (so to speak) and economic foundations are very flaky currently.
Before anyone thinks to tell me otherwise, I started my investment journey in April/May, and bought my last couple of stocks about 4 weeks ago.
I am on paper ahead 20% and am looking at it, and thought my best case scenario had me here in about 12 months time.
I am even contemplating whether or not to jump out and back in on some of the ones I have bought because I see a massive correction on the news.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 11-25-2020
The big boys are cashed up and mopping up heavily discounted commercial properties all over the country, perhaps Barangaroo will become the biggest of them all!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 11-25-2020
Of course there is one other desperate measure open to Donny to somehow miraculously retain power, should he be diabolical enough - pick a fight with China and see it escalate to military exchanges. I bet he's thought about it.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 11-25-2020
Wouldn’t help him. Even FDR has to front up to an election in 1944 even though the US was locked in a war in both Europe and Japan. If Trump starts a war, it’ll be prosecuted by the military rather than Trump, so replacing Trump on 20 Jan would be no biggie. It’s not as though Trump would be in a bunker like Hitler was, poring over battleplans and taking charge of the campaign. At least Hitler had experience as a soldier. Trump used Trumped-up claims of heel spurs to get him out of serving in Vietnam. Just think of the brilliant schemes Trump would dream up; we saw how brilliant he can be when he suggested injecting disinfectant and dropping nuclear bombs on hurricanes.
PS: Interesting fact: General Douglas MacArthur was a candidate to be the Republican nominee to challenge FDR in the 1944 while serving as the Supreme Commander of the Pacific Forces. Dewey romped away in the Wisconsin Primary and that was that. But how does a General in wartime run against the sitting Commander-in-Chief?