Quote:On April 5, however, the CDC page was replaced by a much-simplified set of instructions, which includes now this discreet note: “In most situations, the risk of infection from touching a surface is low.” Oh is that so?

The link goes to the following:

Quantitative microbial risk assessment (QMRA) studies have been conducted to understand and characterize the relative risk of SARS-CoV-2 fomite transmission and evaluate the need for and effectiveness of prevention measures to reduce risk. Findings of these studies suggest that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection via the fomite transmission route is low, and generally less than 1 in 10,000, which means that each contact with a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection.

(04-13-2021, 03:44 AM)LP link Wrote:Governments might be reluctant to enforce policies that are seen as limiting free will, but corporations certainly are not reluctant at all!

Lots of services are being added almost daily to the list of services and employment that depend on having a vaccine passport, it will be interesting to see where this goes. Airlines, Cruise lines, Interstate Trains, Hospitality, Health Care, etc., etc.. The list grows by the day!

I realise this is all about liability, but the left won't see it that way and they will rally against it, but will they refuse to catch that bus or train?

The current legal truth is that corporations can refuse service to whoever they like.

(04-13-2021, 05:43 AM)LP link Wrote:The methods of transmission are additive, not exclusive. R[sub]0[/sub] is measured and not altered by or calculated from the transmission model, the transmission model has to fit the observed R[sub]0[/sub]. Proving one pathway is less infectious, just means some other mechanism has to make up for the shortfall, R[sub]0[/sub] won't change. So I'm not sure what your point is here.

Experts on transmission have said right from the start infection risks from surfaces or ingestion are very low, very early on I recall posting a comment that a virology expert claimed to catch SARS-CoV-2 from ingestion you would basically have to drink a 300mL of concentrated virus.

The main problem seems to be that spreading SARS-CoV-2 via surfaces increases the public exposure risk, it's the same functional argument as calling for the use of masks to protect others by using them correctly, as in disposing of single use masks after a single use.

The more people get exposed through contact the more likely someone becomes unlucky number 1:10000, for example from a mass transit system, who can then they can spread it locally via exhalation at a much higher rate! Of course on the mass transit system the chance remains much higher that you've inhaled COVID than collected it off a surface, but the R[sub]0[/sub] doesn't change.

Of course all this social media argy bargy goes on as Michigan locks down with thousands of new cases everyday! Michigan was pretty much 50/50 in the election, will Trump offer half the population his $30K/person treatment?

(04-14-2021, 04:12 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:You can't be serious?

The models -

(04-15-2021, 10:28 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:48 year old NSW woman died from blood clots a week after the vaccine.

(04-15-2021, 12:37 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:https://au.yahoo.com/news/nsw-woman-dies-days-after-receiving-covid-vaccine-091213267.html
AstraZ been scrapped in Denmark, the whole program is a mess now, when you fast track vaccines you just cant test
thoroughly enough in such a short time period.
They want to let people back into  Aus based on this vaccination program being successful, how is that possible now?
Guaranteed we will have Covid back if we allow Andrews and crew to let people into Victoria given how poor we are at managing quarantine procedures..

(04-15-2021, 01:01 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:5 new cases in Hotel Quarantine today.
Re the AZ vaccine, whilst there may well be a link between clots and the vaccine, it can still be effective at preventing Covid can it not?.