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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 02:52 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Vaccine program is a one size fits all approach geared to herd immunity and with the prospect of losing some of the herd factored in by authorities.
How many have been killed by the vaccine, not the social media claims, but official health department death tolls?

So far the official count is ................... zero, nought, nada, nothing .................... out of 680 Million doses injected.

So where does this statement come from?

"...with the prospect of losing some of the herd factored in by authorities"

The real problem being played out here is the $4, it's not making enough people richer or happier!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 02:56 AM)LP link Wrote:How many have been killed by the vaccine, not the social media claims, but official health department death tolls?

So far the official count is ................... zero, nought, nada, nothing .................... out of 680 Million doses injected.

So where does this statement come from?

"...with the prospect of losing some of the herd factored in by authorities"

The real problem being played out here is the $4, it's not making enough people richer or happier!
The focus of Herd Immunity is saving the majority of the herd, the minority however small may have to be sacrificed to achieve that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56620646

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 03:02 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:The focus of Herd Immunity is saving the majority of the herd, the minority however small have to be sacrificed to achieve that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56620646
The problem [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ is that the number of deaths being reported from blood clots in the vaccinated population, is proportionally lower than the same blood clot deaths in the unvaccinated population.

On a like for like basis, it looks like if you get the vaccine you are less likely to die from this type of blood clot! :o

The media don't report the numbers of all people who suffer this type of blood clot! Early on an epidemiologist reported that in relation to the UK 31, in the same total number of people from the general population as the vaccination count there would/should be about 80 cases.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 03:06 AM)LP link Wrote:The problem [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ is that the number of deaths being reported from blood clots in the vaccinated population, is proportionally lower than the same blood clot deaths in the unvaccinated population.

On a like for like basis, it looks like if you get the vaccine you are less likely to die from this type of blood clot! :o
If someone gets the astraz jab and three days later get blood clots you dont think thats a reasonable probable explanation.
Fate just timed it that their blood clots coincided with getting the jab.?


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 03:09 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:If someone gets the astraz jab and three days later get blood clots you dont think thats a reasonable probable explanation.
Fate just timed it that their blood clots coincided with getting the jab.?
Yes exactly, if the global numbers are not faked it could be explained as fate.

Statically if the same number of general population just walked through the hospital without being vaccinated, there should be 80 clot cases in that perambulatory population in the next 30 days.

btw., Many of those reporting clots happened weeks or months after the jab, they aren't all reporting clots after 3 days, the 3 days is misleading.

I listened to a podcast where one patient developed syncope after the vaccine, was investigated and found to have a clot, but for that clot to already be in place it had to be forming hours or days before the vaccine was issued. It's not a light switch moment.

In the total population, the vaccination numbers are so huge, there will also be a percentage diagnosed post vaccination with MS, MND, cancer, diabetes, epliepsy, depression, Chron's Disease, etc., etc., etc., it's just coincidence it is not caused by the vaccines.

The media is focussed on the AstraZeneca, because of the $4, if they were genuinely concerned they be calling for J&J to be restricted as well.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 03:11 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes exactly, if the global numbers are not faked it could be explained as fate.

Statically if the same number of general population just walked through the hospital without being vaccinated, there should be 80 clot case in that perambulatory population in the next 30 days.
https://sciencenorway.no/covid19/norwegian-experts-say-deadly-blood-clots-were-caused-by-the-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/1830510.
When 31 Norwegians suddenly present with blood clots or what ever the number was its just a coincidence?, I find that hard to believe. That article above tells a different story, another Government on the ropes wanting the dubious EMA to bail them out from  having to confront the independent experts opinions.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-07-2021

The death rate in Norway is 7.9 people per 1000 per year, or 0.63 per thousand per months.

505,000 thousand Norwegians have been vaccinated over a month, of that 505,000 nearly 950 who got the vaccine would have died over the vaccination period.

I don't have Norway figures on clots, and it can vary, but the EU experts come out and stated it's comparable to the background rate.

In the USA, about 300 people die per day from thromboembolism, and there are nearly 700 cases per day (250,000 per year) of severe thromboembolism. That's a 40% mortality. If you are vaccinating large portions of the population in a month a death from a clot is an inevitable coincidence.

Just getting a plain needle with no injectable increases the risk! :o

PS; I'm not claiming it's impossible, I'm just trying to clarify the chance of it happening and being true!

Do you let your kids get in cars?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 03:34 AM)LP link Wrote:The death rate in Norway is 7.9 people per 1000 per year, or 0.63 per thousand per months.

505,000 thousand Norwegians have been vaccinated over a month, of that 505,000 nearly 950 who got the vaccine would have died over the vaccination period.

I don't have Norway figures on clots, and it can vary, but the EU experts come out and stated it's comparable to the background rate.

In the USA, about 300 people die per day from thromboembolism, and there are nearly 700 cases per day (250,000 per year) of severe thromboembolism. That's a 40% mortality. If you are vaccinating large portions of the population in a month a death from a clot is an inevitable coincidence.

Just getting a plain needle with no injectable increases the risk! :o

PS; I'm not claiming it's impossible, I'm just trying to clarify the chance of it happening and being true!

Do you let your kids get in cars?
I always see this car argument, but here is the kicker.

Not everyone drives the same.  Not everyone drives as far or for as long.

The stats are always fudged.

Outliers are considered outliers until they aren't outliers anymore.

Its not as simple as anyone makes out.  There's lies, dammed lies, and then statistics is how the saying goes.

If I'm relatively low risk for covid (under 40, and healthy) and I get the jab and end up with blood clots (44 year old at box hill hospital) how does that risk assessment go when I work in a hospital that has seen and treated covid/scovid patients and yet have not contracted covid even during our worst infection rates whilst going into those areas?

I.e.  I will 100% get the jab, but I won't 100% get covid at this rate.  Even if I did, the chances are I won't be adversely affected with long covid based on current numbers, infection and probable outcomes but if I end up with blood clots and a low platelet count then what?

Note, this isn't an easy answer and nor should it be and its a question that has yet to be asked and before anyone goes too hard here I want you to keep in mind that for us to conceive we need to go down ARS and what impact will covid/jab have for us to conceive successfully?



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-07-2021

(04-07-2021, 03:51 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:I always see this car argument, but here is the kicker.

Not everyone drives the same.  Not everyone drives as far or for as long.
The stats are always fudged.
Outliers are considered outliers until they aren't outliers anymore.
Its not as simple as anyone makes out.  There's lies, dammed lies, and then statistics is how the saying goes.
It's not what your common sense thinks it is either, you need to understand The Monty Hall problem to understand why common sense fails.

The risk isn't accumulative in a relative framework, whether you drive 1 kilometre or 1000 the chance or dying in kilometre 1 is the same as the chance of dying in kilometre 1000. And the risk in kilometre 1001 is the same as the risk in any of the previous 1000 kilometres.

Secondly, and very very importantly, when you take the vaccine jab you aren't increasing risk, you are reducing risk.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-07-2021

Secondly, and very very importantly, when you take the vaccine jab you aren't increasing risk, you are reducing risk.

As Thry alluded to earlier that depends on your risk profile and this vaccination program is a one size fits all from now on with only the Astraz on offer.