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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 04-03-2021

India:  10M fully vaccinated and 73M doses administered so, yes, they're doing OK.

Their fatalities per million is quite low at 118 (Sweden's is 1,3K).  However, India has a very young demographic and it is argued that their CFR (1.7 late last year) should be considerably lower.  (see https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19452829.2020.1863026).

Then there's the fact that India's CFR has been around 3.0 for much of the pandemic and it is widely believed that both infections and deaths are grossly under-reported.  That said, their “early identification and clinical management of cases” has been very effective and they don't use Hydroxychloroquine or the BioCharger NG  Smile 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 04-03-2021

(04-03-2021, 09:35 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:I'll quantify it.

118 deaths per million. Pick a country of any significance, India's done way better.

#120 in the 'rankings'.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

All that in a poor country with many extremely high density populations.

And that's before the classification of deaths fudge that seems prevalent globally.....

Kudos to them.

Is it possible that they're numbers aren't accurate?

Does their climate make a difference?

The irony is not lost on me that our most densely populated city and arguably coolest climate combination has seen the highest number of cases. 

Im happy to go through the route of zinc and any other prophylactic that works.

Where this argument falls over for me on both arguments for and against is that it seems to be a. Zero sum game when India are doing what you say they are and yet they're also vaccinating.

For anyone who wants to argue any point against this post, consider the following.  If the vaccines don't work what else do we have??


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 04-03-2021

(04-03-2021, 09:00 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Is it possible that they're numbers aren't accurate?
I would suggest that like China, their numbers are total BS and anyone who believes them also believes in the Easter Bunny.
By the way Happy Easter to all those who celebrate it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-03-2021

(04-03-2021, 09:06 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:I would suggest that like China, their numbers are total BS and anyone who believes them also believes in the Easter Bunny.
By the way Happy Easter to all those who celebrate it.
The less mobile the populations the slower the spread, this has been confirmed in Africa by even more virulent diseases than COVID, it's the jet setting types like the USA and Europe that have the biggest short-term problems with an early rapid rise.

India, Africa, parts of Sth America and maybe even Indonesia will be a slow rise, but they won't be immune. However, countries like Indonesia already have a strong mask use ethic, they've been doing it for decades just because of the pollution.

The slow burn in the low mobility regions is a big part of the case to argue for wealthy nations to donate vaccine to poorer nations, because the waves might not have even hit yet. If they are not assisted they might bring down the global effort 12 or 18 months from now!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 04-04-2021

(04-03-2021, 11:06 PM)LP link Wrote:The less mobile the populations the slower the spread, this has been confirmed in Africa by even more virulent diseases than COVID, it's the jet setting types like the USA and Europe that have the biggest short-term problems with an early rapid rise.

India, Africa, parts of Sth America and maybe even Indonesia will be a slow rise, but they won't be immune. However, countries like Indonesia already have a strong mask use ethic, they've been doing it for decades just because of the pollution.

The slow burn in the low mobility regions is a big part of the case to argue for wealthy nations to donate vaccine to poorer nations, because the waves might not have even hit yet. If they are not assisted they might bring down the global effort 12 or 18 months from now!
Mate, come on.
India 1.4B people and 160K deaths? I wouldn't believe that if Jesus Christ came down and provided written evidence. Bodies floating down the Ganges at the best times, turn it up.
As for China with their 93K cases and 4600 deaths out of 1.44B people, I just piss myself laughing, they think we are DH's.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-04-2021

(04-04-2021, 01:08 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Mate, come on.
India 1.4B people and 160K deaths? I wouldn't believe that if Jesus Christ came down and provided written evidence. Bodies floating down the Ganges at the best times, turn it up.
As for China with their 93K cases and 4600 deaths out of 1.44B people, I just piss myself laughing, they think we are DH's.
We have no control over various regions regarding how they classify and report deaths, in just the same way that there is no universal power plug.

Some regions might record someone who is hospitalised with severe COVID and dies from cardiac issues as heart failure, while another region might classify a terminal cancer patient who dies with mild COVID as a COVID death, just accept it is what it is!

Just like some claim it is fate, some it's God's will, while others tell you it's a conspiracy!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-04-2021

(04-04-2021, 01:21 AM)LP link Wrote:We have no control over various regions regarding how they classify and report deaths, in just the same way that there is no universal power plug.

Some regions might record someone who is hospitalised with severe COVID and dies from cardiac issues as heart failure, while another region might classify a terminal cancer patient who dies with mild COVID as a COVID death, just accept it is what it is!

Just like some claim it is fate, some it's God's will, while others tell you it's a conspiracy!
Be lucky if they record anything in some areas, a lot of the people wouldn't even be recorded as born.The Sikhs in the Punjab would be organised and parts of Mumbai where its wealthy and perhaps down in Goa, and the arombol tourist areas where its like little Russia but the rest of the country is a mess clouded in politics and poverty.
They are using their own vaccine which also was very rushed and even their own medical gurus have doubts on its effectiveness.
They are also producing the AstraZ and are responsible for about half the world's vaccines being made overall. Their test and trace system for covid cases is also next to useless which is hardly surprising so I'm not sure how they could accurately maintain a vaccine database etc.. and yep I have seen India up close and I have no interest in revisiting.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 04-05-2021

The wheels seem to have fallen off India's COVID-19 program; new infections have shot up to over 100K per day.  That is going to put a huge strain on an already inadequate health system.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-05-2021

Well here is a coincidence of major proportions.

I've know a work associate who's refused to get tested for COVID despite showing some symptoms, further he wouldn't isolate and kept coming to work claiming it was just a cold, this was 3 or 4 months back. Now today we hear he's off to a specialist, guess why?

It seems he's been feeling poorly and after blood tests they discovered he has a low platelet count and possibly a blockage in some leg capillaries. He hasn't yet had the vaccine! I bet if he gets the vaccine he tells everyone it's to blame!

What I don't get is that they haven't tested him for COVID anti-bodies, or at least if they have he isn't telling anybody which wouldn't be a surprise, and the COVID App is not notifying anyone in his vicinity.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 04-06-2021

The Brazil variant P1 is a worry. Apparently, it has gained a foothold in Canada and we have to hope it doesn’t hop on a plane to Oz. Apparenly, it’s on the loose in the Whistler alpine resort and that is a favourite of some Australians. IIRC, some rich arseholes caused outrage in the early days of Covid when they flew back from a US ski resort and ignored warnings to isolate, spreading it at various social gatherings.

Seems P1 is twice as transmissible and is much likelier to infect young people and make them seriously ill. We’ve staved off Covid and that gave us the time to immunise the population but Scotty from Marketing has blown that opportunity :-X