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Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - blue4life - 03-26-2017
(03-25-2017, 01:26 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:Simmo 45 Denis A 46 Sam Jacobs 72 (ouch!) Nick Duigan 70 Sam Rowe 44 Jack Silvagni 53 And that's all folks!!
This is the main reason we are where we are, and our recent first round selections haven't been much better apart from Cripps (Weitering too but it's hard to stuff up pick 1).
No club could butcher the draft for as long as we have and possibly hope for success.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - kruddler - 03-26-2017
(03-25-2017, 01:26 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:Simmo 45 Denis A 46 Sam Jacobs 72 (ouch!) Nick Duigan 70 Sam Rowe 44 Jack Silvagni 53 And that's all folks!!
Betts
Garlett
Jacobs (was a rookie, the 72 is an elevation number)
White
Casboult
Byrne
Sheehan
Ed Curnow
....all rookies
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-26-2017
(03-26-2017, 02:20 AM)kruddler link Wrote:BettsJamison was a rookie
Garlett
Jacobs (was a rookie, the 72 is an elevation number)
White
Casboult
Byrne
Sheehan
Ed Curnow
....all rookies
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - blue4life - 03-26-2017
(03-26-2017, 02:23 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Jamison was a rookie
So was Bret Thornton, and so were Matt Priddis, Matthew Boyd and Dean Cox.
Which is all very well, but the great majority of the cream comes from the National Draft and that's what we've made a mess of.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - laj - 03-26-2017
(03-26-2017, 02:20 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Betts
Garlett
Jacobs (was a rookie, the 72 is an elevation number)
White
Casboult
Byrne
Sheehan
Ed Curnow
....all rookies
Betts was a PSD but, yes, same thing, not in the main draft.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - laj - 03-26-2017
(03-26-2017, 02:23 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Jamison was a rookie
As was Carrots, Setanta, Joesph, Thornton.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-26-2017
(03-25-2017, 11:13 PM)PaulP link Wrote:The problem is that people measure "progress" differently, or have different ideas about what constitutes progress. Some people believe that progress is a simple linear movement, where each season we have more wins, better ladder position etc., leading to a flag. Others believe that if we are "on the right path" (whatever that means), then history shows that successful teams (in recent times think Hawks and Cats) will be up and down in the early years of their "rebuild", then stabilize and move on to have sustained success.
It's ok - as Chomksy said, outside of a very limited set of facts and knowledge, humanity doesn't really understand much about anything, so you can have whatever opinion or theory you like. The discussion and the questions are where it's at.
Our progression is aligned with other teams regression and progression...we can improve but it looks like the majority of the other poorer teams have also improved....
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - LP - 03-26-2017
If you look at the pre-season predictions from the "experts" relative to the 1st Rnd results, and extend them seasonally, more than 50% of the so-called "experts" got it wrong!
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - bobby - 03-26-2017
(03-25-2017, 10:53 AM)deags link Wrote:Not sure if you blokes are taking the pi55 or not.
Jack is clearly our best forward... That's not to say he is an elite player or anything, but of our forwards he reads the play best, clearly the highest work rate in the forward line, no one leads or works harder off the ball... And is a fair kick and a good mark. We have absolutely nothing up forward, and I reckon most teams in the comp would be happy to have Jack on their list. Unfortunately we have to pin our hopes each week on a 19yo kid with the body of a 16 or 17yo kid, who competes much more impressively then he would be expected to at any other club.
The key point here is forward. Good football nous and works hard, which means he can be elusive. I'm going to get shot down here, but if Jack is played up the ground and is in a situation where the ball is live, whoever he is competing with will most likely run off him with ease. He is simply too slow to play up the ground.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - LP - 03-26-2017
(03-25-2017, 10:53 AM)deags link Wrote:Jack is clearly our best forward...
I'm assuming that statement comes as the exclusion of Weitering, who looks to be potentially our best player pretty much everywhere he applies himself.