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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 02-13-2016
(02-13-2016, 11:21 AM)laj link Wrote:Skipper certainly made the right call.
Warner doesn't seem to off the boil. One failure doesn't do that. Averaging 51.34 and his last few series have been pretty good. Marsh does need to make more runs. Bowling well and at pace but if he bats 6 then he needs to average 35 being an allrounder. Maybe bat him at 7 and Nevill at 6.
Let's just pick the right player and not create another Watto.
If he can't bat top 6 find someone who can, and as good as Neville is with the gloves he's no number 6.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - raven19 - 02-17-2016
Marsh aint a top 5 bowler nor a top 6 bat in the country, hence he should not be in our test side.
Simple as that.
Am enjoying reading up on Lyon's continued excellent work as our best offie. Not bad for a former groundsman from Adelaide.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 02-17-2016
(02-13-2016, 12:10 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:Let's just pick the right player and not create another Watto.
If he can't bat top 6 find someone who can, and as good as Neville is with the gloves he's no number 6.
Nevill does average 42 in first class cricket, 70 matches, 6 centuries, 19 50's and a high score of 235, so probably could bat 6. Often opened the batting for NSW in the 50 over One-dayers.
Marsh is an excellent 5th bowling option hence happy to give him time but he'll want to do it soon. Symonds was similar, batted so badly that the Poms called him a professional fieldsman until he hit them for 150. From there he didn't look back and averaged over 40. just hoping Marsh can have that breakthrough innings and do the same. He has the ability but not the confidence. Doesn't want to leave it too long though.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 02-17-2016
(02-17-2016, 03:55 AM)raven link Wrote:Marsh aint a top 5 bowler nor a top 6 bat in the country, hence he should not be in our test side.Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat. Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.
Simple as that.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-17-2016
(02-17-2016, 07:57 AM)laj link Wrote:Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat. Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.
Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DJC - 02-17-2016
(02-17-2016, 09:47 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..
I tend to agree; he's a decent 5th bowling but needs to improve his batting before he can be classed as a genuine allrounder.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 02-17-2016
(02-17-2016, 07:57 AM)laj link Wrote:Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat. Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.
I like him too. Can bowl 140+ and take wickets - surprised how often he's underbowled actually.
Then again, is he a better bet than Faulkner?
Mitch - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html
or James - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 02-17-2016
(02-17-2016, 09:47 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..
He should take a few blokes with him.
Burns and Warner could do with a season or two.
Would be nice to go over there next time with blokes that know the conditions.
It's hard to believe that Shaun Marsh had never played in England before last winter
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - malo - 02-18-2016
(02-17-2016, 09:58 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:I like him too. Can bowl 140+ and take wickets - surprised how often he's underbowled actually.
Then again, is he a better bet than Faulkner?
Mitch - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html
or James - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html
Yeah, as much as I hate to say it (coming from tassie), Marsh has just got more penetration than Faulkner for Test cricket. James is just too slow & doesn't do enough with it for the long form of the game. Batting wise, they're probably on a par. Mind you, neither of them are good enough to bat #6 in the test side ATM. Puts an awful lot of pressure on your top 5, particularly without the likes of Johnson, Starc, Harris to bolster runs from the tail !
What's the answer ? I don't know. If Marsh can get it up to averaging over 30 with the bat, he's probably doing enough to keep his spot. Flintoff only averaged 31.....and 32 with the ball, on the back on one decent series. good solid test all-rounders are about the same mark, 30 with both.
On another note, hopefully Patto can steam in & get his pace up in the 2nd test in NZ......and that Bird can bowl with in a lot better grouping than he did in the 1st !
cheers
Mal.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - raven19 - 02-19-2016
Faulkener at 7, Nevill at 6 works for me.
But surely our top 4 bowlers can take the ten wickets (maybe 10overs per day from the likes of Smith and Warner if needed...) Then you can play a batsmen at 6.