(03-24-2021, 11:25 PM)flyboy77 date Wrote:I laughed aloud when I read that comment.

Very funny.

Quote:The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences' independent review of the available evidence validates WHO's recommendations to keep a physical distance, wear a face mask, keep rooms ventilated, avoid crowds, and practise good hand and respiratory hygiene.

However, not until Dec 18, 2020, did the government give directives to start to translate more of these recommendations into practice including the use of face masks, as the trajectory of rapidly rising cases and deaths continues and intensive-care facilities and the health-care professionals are stretched to the limits in many regions in Sweden.

(03-24-2021, 09:01 PM)LP link Wrote:Sorry to hear about your father [member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍, it's never easy and sometimes we just feel powerless.

The vaccine lottery is interesting, I think that is just a kind way of say they don't know what will be delivered. We can't ignore the media and social media impacts of those booking cancellations, even when they just pose a question it's not always asking in innocence!

On the Brazil charts, I notice the charts linked have a big disclaiming stating they do not include the effects of COVID beyond 2020. You would have to be a bit of a statistical wizard to detangle what is one effect from another. I gather the major influence here is the global aging population, which like the rest of the planet will be putting a cap on population. It's a huge problem coming for young children now, my actuary friend tells me in the mid 2100s there will be too many people who all grow old and frail together at the same time, and most of the world won't have the resources or income to look after them.

(03-25-2021, 02:00 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:It is all a bit too convenient with respect to getting the official numbers.

Numbers without context though are just numbers.

(03-25-2021, 03:47 AM)capcom date Wrote:That was in my link [member=153]LP[/member] ... Bolsonaro.  Overthrow assured

(03-24-2021, 11:42 PM)LP link Wrote:Until you get up to date you'll keep listing Sweden wrongly using outdated data and facts. The Swedish strategy has changed dramatically since the 2nd wave hit. For months now it's required face masks in hospitals, care centres, public transport and public places. It's aggressively adopted a vaccination program. Unfortunately, there is some delay between actions and results due to the way COVID infections develop, but Sweden is now on the right path using masks and getting vaccinated. It never suspended vaccinations like Norway or Denmark, it couldn't afford to.

The main historical problem for Sweden came because they loosened restrictions too soon after the 1st wave and 2nd wave, and paid a huge price. The Swedish politicians basically listened to naysayers like yourself and it bit them on the ar5e!

Now they actually now follow the Melbourne like model, and it's going to serve them very well once they get cases back to manageable limits.

FYI, the latest official finding in Sweden;

(03-24-2021, 11:42 PM)LP link Wrote:Until you get up to date you'll keep listing Sweden wrongly using outdated data and facts. The Swedish strategy has changed dramatically since the 2nd wave hit. For months now it's required face masks in hospitals, care centres, public transport and public places. It's aggressively adopted a vaccination program. Unfortunately, there is some delay between actions and results due to the way COVID infections develop, but Sweden is now on the right path using masks and getting vaccinated. It never suspended vaccinations like Norway or Denmark, it couldn't afford to.

The main historical problem for Sweden came because they loosened restrictions too soon after the 1st wave and 2nd wave, and paid a huge price. The Swedish politicians basically listened to naysayers like yourself and it bit them on the ar5e!

Now they actually now follow the Melbourne like model, and it's going to serve them very well once they get cases back to manageable limits.

FYI, the latest official finding in Sweden;

(03-22-2021, 09:00 PM)LP link Wrote:This is how insidious the media are.

After days and days of whipping the public into an anti-AstraZeneca frenzy, this is a typical headline they run today.
The commercial media have zero morals and are unprofessional, it's all about profit, even if it comes at the expense of your mental and physical health!

Why aren't they liable, were are the civil cases and class actions against them?

(03-25-2021, 07:33 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:75% of deaths in Sweden were in the homes....

(03-25-2021, 12:35 PM)LP link Wrote:It's the general public the spread the disease, and the frail, susceptible and elderly that die first from it, like those in Sweden's care homes after the Swedish politicians prematurely relaxed restrictions. But Sweden learned from that huge huge error and are now doing the exact opposite of what you demand, they are the EU's new boosters for the use of masks, vaccines and social distancing.

Nobody cares about Koch's Postulate or any other 18th or 19th century science, other than to learn from the history, science which has long since been superseded. References to it are just throw away labels used by those who desire of a smokescreen to mask their lack of knowledge around the real issues. You might as well quote Niels Bohr or Nietzsche.

(03-25-2021, 07:47 AM)DJC link Wrote:If people were spooked, it would be a lot easier to get an appointment for a jab.  Clinics are overwhelmed with folk trying make appointments and there are none available on the Bellarine or Geelong for at least a fortnight.  Hopefully, the high volume vaccination centre at the old Ford Factory will be up and running soon.