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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - capcom - 11-09-2020
(11-09-2020, 10:55 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:That is way over the top.
A couple of times he had hand in boob territory
Way WAY over the line
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 11-09-2020
(11-09-2020, 08:32 AM)Baggers date Wrote:Gotta be candid. Anyone who could mistake that behaviour for anything related to paedophilia is at least incredibly gullible/naive or just plain paranoid or are projecting big time - hiding their own suppressed unnatural urges toward children.It's bizarre how gullible people can be when they want to be, they'll happily ignore facts like the frame rate being slowed to 1/10th normal speed to stretch out the duration of an event, crop out the kids laughing or smiling at a joke, or edit out the same kids shying from women in the room(Presumably just because the kids doesn't like being touched by anyone.)
In the meantime, morons use rubbish like this to ban contact with kids that really need a hug, and some parents can't hug their own kids due to the psycho-babble bullcrap baggage they carry around! But I bet a bunch of the very same parents will happy whip the kids into shape instead, or defend the right to beat about a bit, which itself is another sign of suppressed misplaced desires(They carry guilty thoughts so they act out on kids!) Then the same heartless pricks will be on the front line wanting to string up teenagers that run-amok after years of parental abuse or neglect, behaviour that might have been eliminated with a few hugs as a 10 year old!
And now because of Donald, they do this in the name of politics, they've found the second biggest cause to hide behind as a smokescreen other than religion!
Your little preppy distressed at their first day of school is going to sit in the corner isolated and crying as you walk away abandoning them, perhaps a state they carry forward forever and never recover from, because you refuse the right for that "pedo teacher" to sit them on his/her lap and give the crying child a hug in the shadows of your abandonment! Off to the cafe with the crying missus, and a quick boof before going back to work, the kid will be OK! ;D
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 11-09-2020
(11-09-2020, 09:23 PM)LP link Wrote:It's bizarre how gullible people can be when they want to be, they'll happily ignore facts like the frame rate being slowed to 1/10th normal speed to stretch out the duration of an event, crop out the kids laughing or smiling at a joke, or edit out the same kids shying from women in the room(Presumably just because the kids doesn't like being touched by anyone.)
In the meantime, morons use rubbish like this to ban contact with kids that really need a hug, and some parents can't hug their own kids due to the psycho-babble bullcrap baggage they carry around! But I bet a bunch of the very same parents will happy whip the kids into shape instead, or defend the right to beat about a bit, which itself is another sign of suppressed misplaced desires(They carry guilty thoughts so they act out on kids!) Then the same heartless pricks will be on the front line wanting to string up teenagers that run-amok after years of parental abuse or neglect, behaviour that might have been eliminated with a few hugs as a 10 year old!
And now because of Donald, they do this in the name of politics, they've found the second biggest cause to hide behind as a smokescreen other than religion!
No one could possibly argue against anything you've written here, Spotted One. But preying on lowest common denominator / most perverted interpretation is a mantra of far-right politics, possibly even many non-moderate conservatives.
I would have thought Trump sexualising his own daughter on TV, even admitting he'd fck her if she wasn't his daughter was just about the worst thing I've heard a parent publicly admit about one of his children - now that is perverted. But, hey, he's just havin' some fun, eh?
Sheesh, my Danish grandparents were always 'effusive' with their affection (cultural) to my sister and I when we were kids. All they knew is that they wanted to let their grand kids know how loved they were. Kisses and hugs all over the shop.
So now if a Greek/Italian (hey, anyone expressive of their affection) grandfather hugs and kisses his grandson he's a pedo and a poof! I have a number of Greek friends and I'm always greeted with hugs and kisses - likewise Mrs Baggers... are they wanting to fck my wife?
Sad that we can see clumsy affection and immediately condemn it as perverted and unnatural and that the person must be a sicko. Quite often that perversion is in the eyes of the beholder.
I have young nieces and nephews who I never hesitate to give huge hugs to. I hold them with deep affection so they know they're loved and cared for and, yes, if it's in public I can see the disapproving looks - well those sickos can go fck themselves, I will not deprive my loved ones of affection due to the looks of a few. If I sense the kids are uncomfortable, I'd back off immediately, of course but when they see Uncle Shano they come a runnin' for an those unconditional hugs. Oh, and the little one, I bet my hand when I pick her up might hold her bum to support her!!! Quick, call the cops, Baggers is a pedo!!!
99% or more of hugs from parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts bla bla bla are innocent and actually beautiful and incredibly important to the growth of the child. Love without holding, hugs, kisses etc. is what kind of love? Sadly, the 1% or so of disturbed, sick people seem to have a disproportionate say in how we perceive affection, or rather the much higher % of those who cast their own perverted interpretation on natural human affection. Very sad.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 11-09-2020
(11-09-2020, 09:55 PM)Baggers link Wrote:No one could possibly argue against anything you've written here, Spotted One. But preying on lowest common denominator / most perverted interpretation is a mantra of far-right politics, possibly even many non-moderate conservatives.
I would have thought Trump sexualising his own daughter on TV, even admitting he'd fck her if she wasn't his daughter was just about the worst thing I've heard a parent publicly admit about one of his children - now that is perverted. But, hey, he's just havin' some fun, eh?
Sheesh, my Danish grandparents were always 'effusive' with their affection (cultural) to my sister and I when we were kids. All they knew is that they wanted to let their grand kids know how loved they were. Kisses and hugs all over the shop.
So now if a Greek/Italian (hey, anyone expressive of their affection) grandfather hugs and kisses his grandson he's a pedo and a poof! I have a number of Greek friends and I'm always greeted with hugs and kisses - likewise Mrs Baggers... are they wanting to fck my wife?
Sad that we can see clumsy affection and immediately condemn it as perverted and unnatural and that the person must be a sicko. Quite often that perversion is in the eyes of the beholder.
I have young nieces and nephews who I never hesitate to give huge hugs to. I hold them with deep affection so they know they're loved and cared for and, yes, if it's in public I can see the disapproving looks - well those sickos can go fck themselves, I will not deprive my loved ones of affection due to the looks of a few. If I sense the kids are uncomfortable, I'd back off immediately, of course but when they see Uncle Shano they come a runnin' for an those unconditional hugs. Oh, and the little one, I bet my hand when I pick her up might hold her bum to support her!!! Quick, call the cops, Baggers is a pedo!!!
99% or more of hugs from parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts bla bla bla are innocent and actually beautiful and incredibly important to the growth of the child. Love without holding, hugs, kisses etc. is what kind of love? Sadly, the 1% or so of disturbed, sick people seem to have a disproportionate say in how we perceive affection, or rather the much higher % of those who cast their own perverted interpretation on natural human affection. Very sad.
I think that you misunderstand something.
As a Greek, that Biden footage is unsettling for a multitude of reasons, not exclusively, that culturally, seeing that sort of displays of affection from westerners is very unusual.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 11-09-2020
Is the girl who was supposedly molested the one pictured on the floor of the Senate? That’s the daughter of Senator Chris Coons and his wife who are standing with her. They live in Wilmington as does Biden and the families are very close. Coon’s wife is best friends with Beau Biden’s widow. Biden campaigned for Coons. Coons says Biden has known his kids since birth and they regard him as a grandfather. He says he could hear Biden’s comments to his daughter and he says his daughter didn’t regard Biden’s behaviour while talking to her as creepy. But why let facts get in the way. It’s just like a colouring book which everybody can colour in as they choose.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 11-09-2020
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html
In 2014, I was the 35-year-old Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor in Nevada. The landscape wasn’t looking good for my party that year. There were no high-profile national races to help boost turnout, and after the top candidate bowed out of the governor’s race, “None of the Above” ended up winning the Democratic primary.
So when my campaign heard from Vice-President Joe Biden’s office that he was looking to help me and other Democrats in the state, I was grateful and flattered. His team offered to bring him to a campaign rally in an effort to help boost voter turnout. We set the date for November 1, just three days before election day.
In a state as large but sparsely populated as Nevada, it takes nonstop travel to connect with all its residents. You’re lucky to get properly fed, much less look properly coiffed as female candidates are often required to do. I was exhausted and short on time, so decided to not to wash my hair the morning of the rally. I sprayed some dry shampoo in my hair, raced off to the Reno airport, and flew back to Las Vegas.
The event proceeded as most political events do: coordinated chaos with random problems that no one can predict. I found Eva Longoria, co-founder of the Latino Victory Project, roaming the parking lot trying to figure out how to get inside the union hall. My staff was running around town trying to purchase ferns because according to Biden’s team, no other vegetation was acceptable for the stage.
I found my way to the holding room for the speakers, where everyone was chatting, taking photos, and getting ready to speak to the hundreds of voters in the audience. Just before the speeches, we were ushered to the side of the stage where we were lined up by order of introduction. As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. “Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?”
I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. There is a Spanish saying, “tragame tierra,” it means, “earth, swallow me whole.” I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything. I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me. My name was called and I was never happier to get on stage in front of an audience.
By then, as a young Latina in politics, I had gotten used to feeling like an outsider in rooms dominated by white men. But I had never experienced anything so blatantly inappropriate and unnerving before. Biden was the second-most powerful man in the country and, arguably, one of the most powerful men in the world. He was there to promote me as the right person for the lieutenant governor job. Instead, he made me feel uneasy, gross, and confused. The vice-president of the United States of America had just touched me in an intimate way reserved for close friends, family, or romantic partners — and I felt powerless to do anything about it.
Our strange interaction happened during a pivotal moment in my political career. I’d spent months raising money, talking to voters, and securing endorsements. Biden came to Nevada to speak to my leadership and my potential to be second-in-command — an important role he knew firsthand. But he stopped treating me like a peer the moment he touched me. Even if his behavior wasn’t violent or sexual, it was demeaning and disrespectful. I wasn’t attending the rally as his mentee or even his friend; I was there as the most qualified person for the job.
Imagine you’re at work and a male colleague who you have no personal relationship with approaches you from behind, smells your hair, and kisses you on the head. Now imagine it’s the CEO of the company. If Biden and I worked together in a traditional office, I would have complained to the HR department, but on the campaign trail, there’s no clear path for what to do when a powerful man crosses the line. In politics, you shrug it off, smile for the cameras, and get back to the task of trying to win your race.
After the event, I told a few of my staff what happened. We all talked about the inexplicable weirdness of what he did, but I didn’t plan on telling anyone else. I didn’t have the language or the outlet to talk about what happened. Who do you tell? What do you say? Is it enough of a transgression if a man touches and kisses you without consent, but doesn’t rise to the level of what most people consider sexual assault? I did what most women do, and moved on with my life and my work.
Time passed and pictures started to surface of Vice-President Biden getting uncomfortably close with women and young girls. Biden nuzzling the neck of the Defense secretary’s wife; Biden kissing a senator’s wife on the lips; Biden whispering in women’s ears; Biden snuggling female constituents. I saw obvious discomfort in the women’s faces, and Biden, I’m sure, never thought twice about how it made them feel. I knew I couldn’t say anything publicly about what those pictures surfaced for me; my anger and my resentment grew.
Had I never seen those pictures, I may have been able to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Had there not been multiple articles written over the years about the exact same thing — calling his creepy behavior an “open secret” — perhaps it would feel less offensive. And yet despite the steady stream of pictures and the occasional article, Biden retained his title of America’s Favorite Uncle. On occasion that title was downgraded to America’s Creepy Uncle but that in and of itself implied a certain level of acceptance. After all, how many families just tolerate or keep their young children away from the creepy uncle without ever acknowledging that there should be zero tolerance for a man who persistently invades others’ personal space and makes people feel uneasy and gross? In this case, it shows a lack of empathy for the women and young girls whose space he is invading, and ignores the power imbalance that exists between Biden and the women he chooses to get cozy with.
For years I feared my experience would be dismissed. Biden will be Biden. Boys will be boys. I worried about the doubts, the threats, the insults, and the minimization. “It’s not that big of a deal. He touched her, so what?” The immediate passing of judgement and the questioning of motives. “Why now? Why so long after? She just wants attention.” Or: “It’s politically motivated.” I would be lying if I said I didn’t carefully consider all of this before deciding to speak. But hearing Biden’s potential candidacy for president discussed without much talk about his troubling past as it relates to women became too much to keep bottled up any longer.
When I spoke to a male friend who is also a political operative in Biden’s orbit — the first man who had heard the story outside of my staff and close friends years ago — he did what no one else had and made me question myself and wonder if I was doing the right thing. He reminded me that Biden has significant resources and argued points that made me question my memory, even though I’ve replayed that scene in my mind a thousand times. He reminded me that my credibility would be attacked and that I should be prepared for the type of “back and forth” that could occur. (When reached by New York Magazine, a representative for Vice-President Joe Biden declined to comment.)
I’m not suggesting that Biden broke any laws, but the transgressions that society deems minor (or doesn’t even see as transgressions) often feel considerable to the person on the receiving end. That imbalance of power and attention is the whole point — and the whole problem.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 11-09-2020
All the accusations are taken seriously, those against Biden and those against Trump.
The Lucy Flores issue is one of power, as she points out herself, not sexual abuse as the Trump camp want to make out, or sexual abuse as Trump has been accused himself. They are just rock throwers.
But we see this type of accusation in general as a generational issue, I'm not sure the younger generations are right on this matter, I even suspect they might be the ones with a misplaced perception of sexuality. I suspect too much internet porn and innuendo during development has their sexual perspectives skewed, they think every touch is a sexual proposition. All reinforced by a News Ltd dominated media that happily broadcasts baseless accusations as evidence, and then self-references as supporting proof. Maybe Murdoch needed a hug as a child?
At the moment, as part of legitimate scientific and medical research, you'll find calls for increased physical contact between parents, family, friends and kids with claims whole generations are missing out on something that is actually critical for their development. There are demonstrable reductions in stress hormones, improved durability and stability shown as a consequence of a simple hug. Think about that Trumpites when you read about the next internet educated teenager killing themself!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 11-09-2020
Like most things in this election... folks will see what they want to see.
From my point of view.
If someone looks like a groomer, and acts like a groomer, then chances are they're just a friendly old guy who likes kids.
The key for a child abuser is secrecy.
They're masters at disguising their behaviour and many go undetected for years.
Biden's behaviour in those clips is not only detectable by camera but what he's saying is being said within hearing distance of the parents.
As Mav points out 'Uncle Joe' may even be a regular visitor to some of these families homes and may be well known to the kids.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 11-09-2020
Yes, you would think he'd do that stuff in a campaign bus like Trump, and not in a room full of people like Biden!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 11-09-2020
(11-09-2020, 11:51 PM)Lods link Wrote:Like most things in this election... folks will see what they want to see.
From my point of view.
If someone looks like a groomer, and acts like a groomer, then chances are they're just a friendly old guy who likes kids.
The key for a child abuser is secrecy.
They're masters at disguising their behaviour and many go undetected for years.
Biden's behaviour in those clips is not only detectable by camera but what he's saying is being said within hearing distance of the parents.
As Mav points out 'Uncle Joe' may even be a regular visitor to some of these families homes and may be well known to the kids.
"Uncle" Michael did it in plain sight too, his fans and the democrat voters have a lot in common.