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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 03-24-2021

Was in the local shopping centre today, wearing a mask, but there were plenty of people walking around barefaced and no one appeared to be that bothered about it!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 03-24-2021

(03-16-2021, 11:57 PM)LP link Wrote:As will ten of thousands of other health and allied health industry workers starting from last week, because now it is available when before it wasn't. Wink

She is getting the astra tomorrow. She asked for the Pfizer but was told it's reserved for doctors. Why?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 03-24-2021

(03-24-2021, 06:09 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Oh absolutely EB,, and I was always willing to wear one in a supermarket etc for the sake of others.... not trying to tell people what to do individually!
So your cognitive dissonance won't let you accept fundamental, irrefutable principles of epidemiology....

That's all you're really saying. ;D

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Blues15 - 03-24-2021

(03-24-2021, 07:15 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:She is getting the astra tomorrow. She asked for the Pfizer but was told it's reserved for doctors. Why?

Are they using Pfizer though? I was talking to my doctor about the different vaccines yesterday and he seems to think that it won’t be available for use and almost everyone will receive the astra vaccine. His reasoning behind that was because the Oxford vaccine has been around for a while as they started it when SARS first came out whereas according to him the Pfizer is a bit experimental.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 03-24-2021

.. and sobering numbers to put it mildly

Brazil had 200,000 deaths cumulative up to Dec31st 2020.  In less than three months, it's now close to 300,000!

In March 2000, it was zero !!!! 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-24-2021

(03-24-2021, 07:15 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:She is getting the astra tomorrow. She asked for the Pfizer but was told it's reserved for doctors. Why?
Is that true, the "reserved for doctors" comment.

Here is what I was advised just this afternoon, as I'm supposedly in the 1b segment.

If you are yet to have a dose you'll get AstraZeneca.

If you've already had AstraZeneca you'll get a 2nd AstraZeneca.

If you've already had a Pfizer you'll get a 2nd Pfizer.

We won't cross vaccinate as this is yet to be proven or approved.

Pfizer is only available in limited quantities because the EU put the brakes on it's export and we only had a limited quantity already here.

We make AstraZeneca here now, starting this week we have 800,000+ doses available, soon to be making 1 Million per week. The 50 million AstraZeneca we have licensed to make just covers the bulk of the vaccinated population for two shots, and it will take well into next year to get he job done.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 03-24-2021

(03-24-2021, 11:25 AM)capcom link Wrote:.. and sobering numbers to put it mildly

Brazil had 200,000 deaths cumulative up to Dec31st 2020.  In less than three months, it's now close to 300,000!

In March 2000, it was zero !!!! 



I stated this once before, regarding cases of death being slippery.  Last time I did it was in favour of being careful with respect to how they're reporting covic deaths and to rebutt an argument about dying with covid not from covid.

My father had chronic lymphocytic leukaemia.  We were told that this is the cancer that is best to have, as it has a 95% survival rate beyond 15 years of diagnosis or some such bollocks with a really low death rate.  Anyway, in his treatment plan, just as his numbers were stabilising on the back of chemotherapy, they started prepping for a bone marrow transplant which was supposed to help him later in life.  They gave him a large dose of chemo to prep for this, and unfortunately for him, his liver shutdown about a month after the chemo treatment.  He died two weeks later, as the liver has over 200 metabolic functions. 

On his death certificate, cause of death was listed as hematemisis brought on by liver failure as a result of reactivation of hepatitis c.

Where does he sit in the 95% cause of death by clc?  I bet you he's on the other side (5%) yet he was never previously formally diagnosed with hep c, they estimate he had it in his system from the migration on ship to Australia.  As far as I'm concerned without clc he doesn't die from this cause, but its equally possible they used a dirty needle or a batch of chemo drugs that was unclean and couldn't categorically state why he died.  Ultimately the outcome for us is the same, so we didn't pursue it as it doesnt bring him back either way.

I stated this in covids benefit once, and I state it here to show that if the statistical reporting is as much an exercise of statistical gymnastics as it is truth, and that we might be being fed a lot of crap from around the world.

Even so, I dont state this for anything but truth seeking. 

What I would like to see is how these numbers stack up overlaid with the average death rate for this time in terms of influenza, and average deaths.  We should see a rather dramatic spike in overall deaths on a trend line during a pandemic where a disproportionate number of additional deaths are recorded.

Those stats are not mentioned much, and they are worthy of paying attention to.  It's data without context explainable by the overall drop in human activity during this pandemic but the death rate is not remarkable on average according tot he following link.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/BRA/brazil/death-rate

I am not posting this for any reason but to encourage more questions, in the hope we gain some clarity.  The pandemic has changed how we move through society remarkably, but the slums of Brazil should not yield much social distancing IMHO.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 03-24-2021

Regarding which vaccine you get.  At work, I am told it's a lottery.  Go one day you might get Pfizer.  Go another day and you'll get AZ.  where its getting tricky, is that people are rejecting and rebooking to try their luck again.

Now this is also possibly related to the wait time between jabs for protection but I just pass on what I hear.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-24-2021

Sorry to hear about your father [member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍, it's never easy and sometimes we just feel powerless.

The vaccine lottery is interesting, I think that is just a kind way of say they don't know what will be delivered. We can't ignore the media and social media impacts of those booking cancellations, even when they just pose a question it's not always asking in innocence!

On the Brazil charts, I notice the charts linked have a big disclaiming stating they do not include the effects of COVID beyond 2020. You would have to be a bit of a statistical wizard to detangle what is one effect from another. I gather the major influence here is the global aging population, which like the rest of the planet will be putting a cap on population. It's a huge problem coming for young children now, my actuary friend tells me in the mid 2100s there will be too many people who all grow old and frail together at the same time, and most of the world won't have the resources or income to look after them.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 03-24-2021

Echo LPs sentiments [member=105]Thryleon[/member] ... but I started looking for an explanation behind brazil.

Reckon I found it

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/anger-in-brazil-as-bolsonaro-claims-citizens-will-soon-lead-normal-lives-as-deaths-soar-coronavirus