+- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com)
+-- Forum: Princes Park (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Robert Heatley Stand (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-14.html)
+--- Thread: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast (/thread-4233.html)
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - PaulP - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 02:59 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:The problem is I don't think you take a holistic view of what he doesn't do.
Why do others have to do the heavy lifting and Murphy is exonerated from it?
Why is it ok for an 18 year old to get his hands dirty, run both ways and apply defensive pressure, when the ex captain doesn't.
If you are going to judge Murphy, I am very happy to judge him on his overall game.
That is exactly where his game falls apart.
Hard running and 28 disposals is the least he should provide as there is SFA else
You have an extremely narrow focus on crash n bash and tackling, as if that's all there is to football. Last time I checked, there's more to it than that.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - LP - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 02:59 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Hard running and 28 disposals is the least he should provide as there is SFA else
You must think then that Craig Bradley was the ultimate spud, because he was even less physical than Murphy!
Personally, I think toughness has nothing to do with knuckles, and far more to do with dragging your ar5e out there over and over again despite living through years of being mindlessly stepped on!
I'm not sure I can say their are tougher types than the likes of Bradley, Murphy, Harvey, Riewoldt, McLeod, Kelly, etc., etc.. Guys who had opponents at first gasping for breath, then went again until they threw up!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - JonHenry - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 03:10 AM)PaulP link Wrote:You have an extremely narrow focus on crash n bash and tackling, as if that's all there is to football. Last time I checked, there's more to it than that.
Not at all, that is simply what you think I mean.
I am saying there is a lot more to it than getting 28 kicks.
That is where Murphy starts and stops.
What else does he provide outside that?
Certainly no defensive pressure, no running defensively, no tackling.
Keep in mind, the modern game is more about defensive pressure and tackling than ever before.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - PaulP - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 03:28 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Not at all, that is simply what you think I mean.
I am saying there is a lot more to it than getting 28 kicks.
That is where Murphy starts and stops.
What else does he provide outside that?
Certainly no defensive pressure, no running defensively, no tackling.
Keep in mind, the modern game is more about defensive pressure and tackling than ever before.
Murphy finished 2nd in the AFL fantasy points, behind Cripps and ahead of Walsh.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 02:32 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Steve Silvagni + (the Judge x Mathieson) + Zac Dawson - Brendan Bolton = Ross Lyon
Tend to agree......if there is a change I would expect Lyon to be approached, while I remain unconvinced on Bolton I remain convinced that Lyon
isnt the messiah either..
Paul...You can add Brad Lloyd to that equation too....
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - PaulP - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 03:40 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Tend to agree......if there is a change I would expect Lyon to be approached, while I remain unconvinced on Bolton I remain convinced that Lyon
isnt the messiah either..
Paul...You can add Brad Lloyd to that equation too....
Fixed EB. I agree. Following the R1 game, I thought Lyon had finally figured out why the field had goal posts. Turned out to be a mirage.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 04-15-2019
(04-14-2019, 11:45 PM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:I do know that good teams save many goals on the goal line through being drilled and disciplined. Are these the sort of tactics which are low down on the whiteboard? Probably, when you have a list that reads:We do the exact opposite to every one of those week in week out, 3 in particular. Hence,0-4.
1. Kick to the man leading towards you who is wearing the same colour jumper as you
2. When you kick the ball (see #1), make sure it travels in the air and fairly straight
3. Try and handball to a teammate in a better position than you
4. Try and handball so said teammate doesn’t have to bend down to pick up the ball
5. If there is a player wearing a different jumper than yours and he has the ball, tackle him
6. If someone wearing the same jumper as you is already tackling someone wearing a different jumper, don’t leave your man to help out
7. Remember to put your socks on BEFORE your boots. This last one is important - I can’t stress this enough
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - DamonBlue - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 03:40 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Tend to agree......if there is a change I would expect Lyon to be approached, while I remain unconvinced on Bolton I remain convinced that Lyon
isnt the messiah either..
Paul...You can add Brad Lloyd to that equation too....
Longmire. He's probably done as much as he can at Sydney. I'm not in favour of removing Bolton, but Horse would be the one I'd be interested in, were it to happen.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-15-2019
(04-15-2019, 03:47 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Fixed EB. I agree. Following the R1 game, I thought Lyon had finally figured out why the field had goal posts. Turned out to be a mirage.
Yep, we cant kick 100 points and I dont see how employing the most negative game plan coach in the comp is going to fix that.....
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 4: Carlton vs. Gold Coast - Lods - 04-15-2019
If you think some are over critical of Bolton....wait until you see what this place would do to Ross Lyon. ;D
He wouldn't even get a "honeymoon weekend" before the boots went in.
No chance he would be an acceptable alternative to the masses.
Unless of course he won a flag in his first year.
