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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 01:32 AM)kruddler date Wrote:The erratic behaviour of the rest of the world at the start of this pandemic was similar. Those that had the 'everything will be fine' attitude were left regretting it.

Fool me once...
Some of the EU is on a merry-go-round, repeating the mistakes of last year like they have no short term memory, it appears partly driven by those who proselytize freedom and wealth over health! I suppose this is the pain of the economic impacts coming home, especially to those who thought they could ignore or ride out the long term warnings.

What good preserving the freedom and wealth of the dead?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-18-2021

We are not the EU and as long as we maintain good border controls, testing/monitoring we dont have to run around in a panic jabbing anything with a pulse with vaccines that have question marks on them even small question marks.
We can afford to sit back and learn from these other nations who are in a jabbing frenzy because they never had proper control to start with. ie England.....half the population wouldnt know what planet they are on, Boris initiated controls too late and now is playing catchup and hoping AstraZ will be save the day.....we are smarter than them and dont need to be in a frenzy.
My daughters Australian school friend who lives in England had her 1st dose of AstraZ and has been extremely ill, she is 34 and a healthy young woman normally with a decent career as a Psychologist  which is now on hold till she recovers.
These vaccines are no sure thing to be an instant fix and come with problems, lets be careful out there and minimize the risks in Australia...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 02:22 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:We are not the EU and as long as we maintain good border controls, testing/monitoring we dont have to run around in a panic jabbing anything with a pulse with vaccines that have question marks on them even small question marks.
We can afford to sit back and learn from these other nations who are in a jabbing frenzy because they never had proper control to start with. ie England.....half the population wouldnt know what planet they are on, Boris initiated controls too late and now is playing catchup and hoping AstraZ will be save the day.....we are smarter than them and dont need to be in a frenzy.
My daughters Australian school friend who lives in England had her 1st dose of AstraZ and has been extremely ill, she is 34 and a healthy young woman normally with a decent career as a Psychologist  which is now on hold till she recovers.
These vaccines are no sure thing to be an instant fix and come with problems, lets be careful out there and minimize the risks in Australia...
Fair enough, we wish her well, but for every sad story you can quote there will be 1 or 10 with a minimal reaction you never hear about, just like Flu shots.

Of course that isn't unusual, it actually makes sense, when a person has minimal side effects you don't hear from them and it's business as usual, but if they get severe side effects they suffer and tell the world like an obligatory warning!

It's asymmetrical reporting and well recognised in research, which is why the UK doesn't operate an unverified and uncontrolled self-reporting system like VAERS.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 02:22 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:We are not the EU and as long as we maintain good border controls, testing/monitoring we dont have to run around in a panic jabbing anything with a pulse with vaccines that have question marks on them even small question marks.
We can afford to sit back and learn from these other nations who are in a jabbing frenzy because they never had proper control to start with. ie England.....half the population wouldnt know what planet they are on, Boris initiated controls too late and now is playing catchup and hoping AstraZ will be save the day.....we are smarter than them and dont need to be in a frenzy.
My daughters Australian school friend who lives in England had her 1st dose of AstraZ and has been extremely ill, she is 34 and a healthy young woman normally with a decent career as a Psychologist  which is now on hold till she recovers.
These vaccines are no sure thing to be an instant fix and come with problems, lets be careful out there and minimize the risks in Australia...
100% correct about border controls, Covid 19 doesn't just appear, you have to let it in. Keep it out (ie travellers and airline workers, there is no virus and we can afford to wait. Having said, I'm sure there some shenanigans going on in Europe with AZ vaccine suspension. More to it than meets the eye.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 02:33 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:100% correct about border controls, Covid 19 doesn't just appear, you have to let it in. Keep it out (ie travellers and airline workers, there is no virus and we can afford to wait. Having said, I'm sure there some shenanigans going on in Europe with AZ vaccine suspension. More to it than meets the eye.
[member=160]Gointocarlton[/member]‍ COVID-19 is endemic, it's already here.

Canada and I think France did big studies on the effects of border controls and airline shutdowns, they showed that once the virus was endemic and spreading closing borders and shutting down flights made little difference. They found the biggest impact comes from widespread testing and quarantine, I presume by quarantine they mean effective quarantine, not just shipping your infected cases off to another state. Wink

It's a fools confidence to think COVID-19 won't resurface while borders remain closed, it's already here, not vaccinating invites the next wave!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 02:43 AM)LP link Wrote:[member=160]Gointocarlton[/member]‍ COVID-19 is endemic, it's already here.

Canada and I think France did big studies on the effects of border controls and airline shutdowns, they showed that once the virus was endemic and spreading closing borders and shutting down flights made little difference. They found the biggest impact comes from widespread testing and quarantine, I presume by quarantine they mean effective quarantine, not just shipping your infected cases off to another state. Wink

It's a fools confidence to think COVID-19 won't resurface while borders remain closed, it's already here, not vaccinating invites the next wave!
So we go zero cases for several weeks, where do the cases from?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 03-18-2021

I can well understand the UK outlook.  They are in panic mode and have been for a year or more.  Almost "any port in a storm" will suit their needs.

They've been thru hell, believe me.  As many as 1500 deaths a day for months on end, lockdowns, waiting 'til midnite to order their groceries on a first come, first serve basis, isolation with almost no physical contact .... a vicarious sense of freedom where there is none.

No wonder I get so many emigration questions.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 03:08 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:So we go zero cases for several weeks, where do the cases from?
They are still finding live virus is sewerage water, they even found some in Brisbane sewerage when they hadn't had a live locally transmitted case for months, and now they are hoping like hell for no further positives and avoid a lockdown.

It just means they haven't found the infected for any number of reasons. Either people aren't coming forward because the symptoms are mild, that has become a problem recently as suffers feel persecuted or it may be kids and mum and dad do not want to be locked down with them, or they could be asymptomatic, or even worse it might be spreading or building in some non-human vector like birds, bats or rats.

Either way they know it's still here in the environment, the hunt is on, and winter is coming!

Why is winter important, because just like the Flu season the virus lives longer and can circulate further in cool air or on cool damp surfaces.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 03-18-2021

Hotel quarantine establishments are presumably connected in to the sewage system?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 04:00 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:Hotel quarantine establishments are presumably connected in to the sewage system?
True, some specific locations are isolated and treated separately, but they know which locations are connected to which plants anyway.

But not all sewerage systems are interconnected, they can't explain how the virus is appearing in widely diverse locations. They believe it is possibly the previously infected having a mild recurrence.

Also, the testing is much finer grained, they are out taking samples from sewerage mains in local streets, not all positive samples are coming from treatment sites at the end of the rainbow. Brisbane's recent positive's initially came from street testing, not from a sewerage plant.

Wear your mask in public to be safe.