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Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 08-26-2023
(08-26-2023, 08:42 AM)DJC link Wrote:It may be counted as a clearance if the player gets a disposal. A "ruck hardball get" is a specific category used by Champion Data. Midway through last season Tom Hawkins had 20 "ruck hardball gets", something like twice as many as the next best.I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that its kinda like a hitout....if it doesn't get to a teammate, what does it matter?
I noticed when Jack took clean possession from a ruck contest and kicked a goal (when he injured his knee) that he wasn't credited with a hitout to advantage but was given a contested possession. I imagine that if you drilled down further, there'd be a "ruck hardball get".
I know that Harry has got several this season and Charlie has at least one.
I will be expecting Harry to go for clean possessions whenever he can.
Hawkins can push his opponent out of the way, grab the ball (and get his ruck hardball get) but if he gets tackled straight away and the balls spills free or its another ball up, what was the benefit in doing so? If he gets a boot to ball, he'll get the clearance.
In the Jack play you mention, he would've got a clearance for that though (as well as his ruck hardball get).
So your stat is correct, but i'm just cutting out the middle man and going straight to the clearance.
Its actually something Pittonet is good at, grabbing the ball out of the ruck and throwing it on the boot. Its why his clearance numbers are not so bad despite the fact he almost never picks the ball up off the deck.
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - PaulP - 08-26-2023
I really hope the boys don’t lose track of the collective and get unduly distracted by Charlie’s potential Coleman. The person having the shot should be the one in best position, be it Charlie or someone else. When and if the game is in the bag, by all means give him the ball. The collective effort has played no small part in our recent great form, and it’s importance should not be downplayed. There’s no shame for Charlie to be a winner and also runner up in the Coleman , and certainly no shame finishing second to arguably the best shot for goal the game has seen.
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 08-26-2023
(08-26-2023, 10:48 AM)LP link Wrote:It's another example of somewhat bogus reporting of stats, because the ruck can defeat his opponent hands down in F50 take the ball cleanly, and it just gets reported as Contested Possession or Score Assist.bogus stats or bogus reading.....
You get credited with a clearance.
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - Gointocarlton - 08-27-2023
(08-26-2023, 11:18 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I really hope the boys don’t lose track of the collective and get unduly distracted by Charlie’s potential Coleman. The person having the shot should be the one in best position, be it Charlie or someone else. When and if the game is in the bag, by all means give him the ball. The collective effort has played no small part in our recent great form, and it’s importance should not be downplayed. There’s no shame for Charlie to be a winner and also runner up in the Coleman , and certainly no shame finishing second to arguably the best shot for goal the game has seen.THE best shot for goal the game has seen? I'd agree with ONE of the best, I reckon there are few handy ones ahead of him. I can't go passed Lockett and Dunstall for accuracy, routine, reliability.
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - PaulP - 08-27-2023
(08-27-2023, 12:24 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:THE best shot for goal the game has seen? I'd agree with ONE of the best, I reckon there are few handy ones ahead of him. I can't go passed Lockett and Dunstall for accuracy, routine, reliability.
Yes, those two and Walker would all be in the conversation for sure.
EDIT : if you needed a set shot after the siren to win a GF, I don't think you could go wrong with any of those three.
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 08-27-2023
Quite a diverse emergency list to choose a sub from....
[22] Caleb Marchbank,
[27] Marc Pittonet,
[37] Jordan Boyd,
[35] Ed Curnow
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - townsendcalling - 08-27-2023
(08-27-2023, 01:15 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Quite a diverse emergency list to choose a sub from....
[22] Caleb Marchbank,
[27] Marc Pittonet,
[37] Jordan Boyd,
[35] Ed Curnow
Who gives us most flexibility??
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - kruddler - 08-27-2023
(08-27-2023, 02:12 AM)townsendcalling link Wrote:Who gives us most flexibility??
Nobody really. :-\
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - WASurfer - 08-27-2023
I'm now more worried about Charlie kicking 2 goals! It's a team game for sure but would be a bummer to get pipped for the Coleman in the last game of the season.
Re: AFL Rd 24 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS - DJC - 08-27-2023
(08-27-2023, 03:37 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:I'm now more worried about Charlie kicking 2 goals! It's a team game for sure but would be a bummer to get pipped for the Coleman in the last game of the season.
If Charlie plays the way he has been, and the team continues its ruthless footy, the goals will flow.
However, if Charlie feels that he can best serve the team by driving bullet passes to teammates inside 50, he'll do that and forget about the Coleman.