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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - Professer E - 04-03-2021
OK not gifting games. Getting an extended run in the seniors when form suggests otherwise. Nobody on the list should be a protected species.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 05:11 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Apart from the fairly obvious fact that it's stupid, unethical, unprofessional etc., it's also worth noting Teague's testy satchels are on the line. Unless the idea of being sacked is an extreme turn on, he's not gifting games to anyone. Ridiculous idea.Some clubs do what is right to win games, they are not stuck in the past wanting to glorify players or be over romantic
with milestones and personal achievements. We need to be less romantic about whose name is on honor boards and more ruthless about who is in the team and who deserves to be on the list.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 05:19 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Just reflects the current parlous state of affairs then?
Maybe. We can keep going backwards and forward about recruiting, development etc., but the MC is picking the best available for each match. And if Murphy is in that group, he's in. Whether "best available" equates to "worthy", "good', "good enough" etc. is a separate discussion IMO.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 05:20 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Some clubs do what is right to win games, they are not stuck in the past wanting to glorify players or be over romantic
with milestones and personal achievements. We need to be less romantic about whose name is on honor boards and more ruthless about who is in the team and who deserves to be on the list.
I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe that Murphy or anyone else is being gifted games, not for romance, bromance, honour boards or anything else. If you are willing to support a club that does that, I don't really know what to tell you.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - cookie2 - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 05:22 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Maybe. We can keep going backwards and forward about recruiting, development etc., but the MC is picking the best available for each match. And if Murphy is in that group, he's in. Whether "best available" equates to "worthy", "good', "good enough" etc. is a separate discussion IMO.
But no one putting pressure on to take his spot currently? Bit of a worry?
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 05:29 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:But no one putting pressure on to take his spot currently? Bit of a worry?
Yes, maybe it is.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - Professer E - 04-03-2021
Believe what you want.
Stocker on ball or Owies/Honey as a FP option.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - Baggers - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 05:26 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe that Murphy or anyone else is being gifted games, not for romance, bromance, honour boards or anything else. If you are willing to support a club that does that, I don't really know what to tell you.
I wouldn't say, 'gifted', Pauly... but I would say never underestimate the sentimentality in our's and other struggling sides. Successful sides rarely have passengers, especially two weeks in a row. But we have shown a strong propensity over a long period to 'allow' passengers.
Sometimes you have to stick with the 'passengers' as there just aint the talent pressing in the Magoos for selection - we've certainly been there, just ask BB.
But now we do have blokes pressing, yet being denied for some unknown reason. For example, there has been nothing in Casboult's efforts in the first two games to justify fronting up tomorrow... and the argument of 'team balance' does not hold water for moi. You put your best available on the paddock. If Casboult was injured we'd find a way to structure our forward line.
With today's Magoos hit-out, McGovern, Kennedy and Stocker have all put their hands up... and Willo bounced back for a BOG - another hand up.
If you reward below par efforts, you'll ask for below par results. Selection needs to be ruthless, as is the case with top sides.
(No mention of Carroll in today's Magoos games... rested? Injured? Also mentioned was that Marchbank is likely to play in the Magoos next week).
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 06:38 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I wouldn't say, 'gifted', Pauly... but I would say never underestimate the sentimentality in our's and other struggling sides. Successful sides rarely have passengers, especially two weeks in a row. But we have shown a strong propensity over a long period to 'allow' passengers.
Sometimes you have to stick with the 'passengers' as there just aint the talent pressing in the Magoos for selection - we've certainly been there, just ask BB.
But now we do have blokes pressing, yet being denied for some unknown reason. For example, there has been nothing in Casboult's efforts in the first two games to justify fronting up tomorrow... and the argument of 'team balance' does not hold water for moi. You put your best available on the paddock. If Casboult was injured we'd find a way to structure our forward line.
With today's Magoos hit-out, McGovern, Kennedy and Stocker have all put their hands up... and Willo bounced back for a BOG - another hand up.
If you reward below par efforts, you'll ask for below par results. Selection needs to be ruthless, as is the case with top sides.
(No mention of Carroll in today's Magoos games... rested? Injured? Also mentioned was that Marchbank is likely to play in the Magoos next week).
My participation in this discussion started when I read that Murphy is being gifted games to get to 300. He entered the season on 285. If you seriously believe that he is being gifted 15 out of 22 (leaving out finals), or 70% of the total games this season to make the milestone, well................
Leaving that aside and taking a short term view, we are 2 games in. Plenty of players not at their best. Maybe, just maybe, these blokes who are pressing for selection are getting close, but still not good enough to earn selection ? Maybe the MC has gone all risk averse because they would rather go with tried and true instead of taking risks, giving that it appears to be finals or bust for Teague. Maybe the nothing practice matches up till now are not a reliable form indicator ? Maybe Murphy's experience and other attributes are getting him over the line ?
In short, there is no basis for thinking the club has gone all sickly sweet like an overripe mango, and there's no basis for thinking anyone is being gifted games.
Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel - PaulP - 04-03-2021
This is the team - apologies for the crap formatting :
Carlton
FB [26] Luke Parks, [14] Liam Jones,[20] Lachie Plowman
HB [15] Sam Docherty, [23] Jacob Weitering, [42] Adam Saad
C [43] Will Setterfield, [18] Sam Walsh, [32] Jack Newnes
HF [8] Lachie Fogarty, [10] Harry McKay, [1] Jack Silvagni
FF [19] Eddie Betts, [41] Levi Casboult, [6] Zac Williams
FOL [27] Marc Pittonet, [2] Paddy Dow, [9] Patrick Cripps
I/C [5] Sam Petrevski-Seton, [35] Ed Curnow, [40] Michael Gibbons, [3] Marc Murphy
Emerg [31] Tom Williamson, [46] Matthew Cottrell, [39] Oscar McDonald, [7] Matthew Kennedy