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Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - LP - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 08:31 AM)DJC date Wrote:Then there's the Ineos Grenadier hydrogen fuel cell vehicle that's currently undergoing testing (and Landrover have been testing fuel cell Defenders for some time). I think that will be the powerplant of choice for folk who need decent range.I've read about hydrogen retrofits on combustion type engines but at this stage that won't be a long term solution, it's a just bridging a gap, long term it's surely all about fuel cells which convert the energy far more efficiently.
However, some heavy weights have thrown their hat in the ring recently on the hydrogen combustion path, Mercedes included so I while I'm doubtful I would not bet against them. One solution seems to be a blending hydrogen with a small percentage of LPG, not sure why but apparently this makes the engineering solution much easier, it's probably about how the existing engine designs work. I suppose if you combine something like that technology with a genuine carbon offset process, like using captured CO2 to make the materials in the body as I described above, then you can have a net negative even without zero emissions.
Some problems they have at the moment is how long fuel cells last, how expensive are they to make, and the rarity of some materials.
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-14-2022
Toyota have just received an award from Greenpeace down under....for being the No 1 anti environmental car maker based on their opposition to climate action and highly polluting hybrids. World wide they have ranked just below by Exon, Mobil and Chevron for their negative lobbying for pollution standards on cars.
Goes against the Toyota marketing spin of being greener than most and having the most trust in Australia, not sure who to believe or what criteria Greenpeace have used and comparisons etc but its not a great look.
Mazda rumored to be boning their 2 litre engine they use on their base model CX5, CX3 and some other model and making customers upgrade to the 2.5 for an extra 5k.....
More frightening is the emergence of MG reaching 7th position in the top ten sales figures, thats ahead now of Subaru and Nissan who should be mighty worried. One new car in every 22 now being sold in Aus is an MG........Mò lǐsī chēkù.....thats Morris Garage in Chinese, be more than a few car companies worried about the rise of the SAIC group and its obvious they will improve heir position given their pricing and ability to offer a lot of choice in models especially EV's. Toyota still comfortably leads the pack but the other car makers would be looking over their shoulder...
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - kruddler - 09-14-2022
(09-14-2022, 08:52 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Toyota have just received an award from Greenpeace down under....for being the No 1 anti environmental car maker based on their opposition to climate action and highly polluting hybrids. World wide they have ranked just below by Exon, Mobil and Chevron for their negative lobbying for pollution standards on cars.
Goes against the Toyota marketing spin of being greener than most and having the most trust in Australia, not sure who to believe or what criteria Greenpeace have used and comparisons etc but its not a great look.
Mazda rumored to be boning their 2 litre engine they use on their base model CX5, CX3 and some other model and making customers upgrade to the 2.5 for an extra 5k.....
More frightening is the emergence of MG reaching 7th position in the top ten sales figures, thats ahead now of Subaru and Nissan who should be mighty worried. One new car in every 22 now being sold in Aus is an MG........Mò lǐsī chēkù.....thats Morris Garage in Chinese, be more than a few car companies worried about the rise of the SAIC group and its obvious they will improve heir position given their pricing and ability to offer a lot of choice in models especially EV's. Toyota still comfortably leads the pack but the other car makes would be looking over their shoulder...
Toyota are having all sorts of issues that will hurt them long term.
Apparantly they are struggling to get microchips for their GPS/Displays. They will be (if they are not already) selling cars without said systems in place and customers will have to get them retrofitted once they become available. Would you buy a new car if it didn't come with GPS, Reversing cameras, DAB etc.
Some models will be waiting 18months before it comes with all the bells and whistles promised.
Not sure how well their sales will be going with those kind of delays.
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - cookie2 - 09-14-2022
@EB
I've owned 2 MGs, of the classic variety, in my life EB. Not sure I'm quite ready to buy a Chinese one yet. I had a brief look at one on display in a shopping mall and it looked ok, but if they are anything like the GW suv I drove a few years back then no thanks.
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-14-2022
(09-14-2022, 09:06 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:@EBCookie, they look ok, drive ok and have reasonable specs but it's the service, support and dealership network that I would be suspicious of.
I've owned 2 MGs, of the classic variety, in my life EB. Not sure I'm quite ready to buy a Chinese one yet. I had a brief look at one on display in a shopping mall and it looked ok, but if they are anything like the GW suv I drove a few years back then no thanks.
Sales volume affects spare parts inventory, service tech numbers, training etc...Dealers put money into brands that sell and most blocks where you find new car dealerships with different brands usually are owned by the one company so they invest in the brands that sell the most.
MG should improve in all areas with their sales increasing but Id still be holding off buying one until they are more proven with their service backup.
The old MGs were classic cars, would have been a fun drive you had in yours...
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - cookie2 - 09-14-2022
@EB
You're right EB. I am now living in Yarra Valley and still driving the old IS300. The nearest Lexus dealer is in Blackburn so I would no doubt be even worse off with an MG. I'm seriously thinking of finding an independent service outfit.
The old cars were indeed fun but as I got older I needed more comfort and mod cons!
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-14-2022
(09-14-2022, 08:58 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Toyota are having all sorts of issues that will hurt them long term.Toyota are the market leader in sales and have plenty of fans which allows them the ability to absorb those issues and still sell vehicles based on loyalty to the brand.
Apparantly they are struggling to get microchips for their GPS/Displays. They will be (if they are not already) selling cars without said systems in place and customers will have to get them retrofitted once they become available. Would you buy a new car if it didn't come with GPS, Reversing cameras, DAB etc.
Some models will be waiting 18months before it comes with all the bells and whistles promised.
Not sure how well their sales will be going with those kind of delays.
I wouldn't be waiting 18 months and would want my toys all onboard and would look at other brands but the reality is none of them have your interests at heart only your wallet.Lexus would be my preferred option but you are paying a premium.
My pet gripe at the moment are these long warranties which are just a marketing trap to force you into long term dealer servicing..Mitsubishi being the worst con with this new ten year warranty, which forces you to have the car serviced at the dealer or you only get the normal five years if you go independent servicing.
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - LP - 09-15-2022
(09-14-2022, 11:36 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:My pet gripe at the moment are these long warranties which are just a marketing trap to force you into long term dealer servicing.. Mitsubishi being the worst con with this new ten year warranty, which forces you to have the car serviced at the dealer or you only get the normal five years if you go independent servicing.We had this happened at work, they worked out that the independents assuming you find a good one, was saving them about 35% each and every service, then COVID hit and a lot of them can't get the parts anymore at reasonable pricing.
I recall some debate back when we looked into Ford vs Mazda for factory twin cabs, and we discovered for the bulk of the vehicle they are about 90% the same. But the price and servicing costs were vastly different, so it was all about market size and how the model they choose to make the money.
Personally, I think Toyota are well ahead of the pack on average, although I've noticed servicing costs starting to rise for them as well. No brand is exempt.
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - Gointocarlton - 09-15-2022
I have Landcruisers and Prados since 2001, wouldn't swap them for all the tea in China.
Re: The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread - LP - 09-15-2022
(09-15-2022, 03:24 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:I have Landcruisers and Prados since 2001, wouldn't swap them for all the tea in China.Yep tend to agree, especially for private towing, trailers, boats, floats, campers, caravans, in my opinion they are peerless regarding both ride and driver comfort(handling / safety / confidence).