(03-15-2021, 01:31 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:common sense states we shouldn't be using this vaccine irrespective of the assertion that its safe or are problem because even if it does the job they state it will, there is still every chance there are future unforseen consequences that can't be quantified right now and evidence is showing its borderline effective and the wrong mutation will render it useless anyway.

(03-15-2021, 01:42 AM)LP link Wrote:Compared to all other vaccines not just COVID-19 vaccines, the COVID-19 vaccines are very safe. Safer than MMR, safer than Tetanus and safer than HPV. The rate of vaccination is extraordinary, and it's hard to ignore the stats. Until another like J&J  or Novavax reach vaccination counts in the tens of million authorities won't be able to make an equivalent comment, and we do not know about Pfizer because they aren't publishing the numbers which cannot be zero or that really stinks of something rotten.

I know the Global Health Initiative in partnership with Google is trying hard to open up all this data, if it does we will all get to read the standardised statistics.

All this has risen out of four diverse cases of clotting, not even the same clotting, it's ironic to think the dodginess only goes one way as [member=324]DJC[/member] rightly points out. Skip the opportunity to get ahead of the next wave, which is coming whether you like it or not, and you won't be worrying about the effects of the vaccine! I would have thought someone who works in a future potentially over-run hospital would be sensitive to that, the fact our hospitals aren't / haven't been over-run yet is the reason why we have such a good outcome!

Once Merck and GSK got involved, two companies that originally refused to take part because there was "nothing in it" from them, the waters have now been muddied. Is that coincidence? All of a sudden there is big dollars and it's worth the effort. Is this because they thought mRNA vaccines might not work, and they placed the wrong bet? Now they want to deal themselves back in!

There must have been quite a lot of ar5e kicking going on at Merck and GSK, they've let Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca get a $Trillion head start!

(03-15-2021, 04:03 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:No one knows - there hasn't been time.

(03-15-2021, 01:31 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Guys you are peddling one assertion ahead of another.

The assertion that we are being told the truth about this vaccine and its side effects is likely the biggest fallousy we are being told about.

The worst still is that in lieu of other evidence countries with more severe covid issues than our own are pulling the same vaccine we are rolling out and for better or worse we currently don't have a virus to fight.

common sense states we shouldn't be using this vaccine irrespective of the assertion that its safe or are problem because even if it does the job they state it will, there is still every chance there are future unforseen consequences that can't be quantified right now and evidence is showing its borderline effective and the wrong mutation will render it useless anyway.

(03-15-2021, 05:26 AM)kruddler date Wrote:I'm all for science, but even science knows we don't know a hell of a lot.

So as good as all this appears to be....we simply do not really know.