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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-14-2021

(03-14-2021, 04:54 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:LP you don't think we're playing politics considering AstraZ is what we have invested the most in?

It would be a disaster if it had to be canned.
If it is blocked due to politics not due to medical and scientific evidence it'll be tragic, the UK can't hand out 11 million doses, and other countries millions and millions more, and not be seeing the same effects if they are real world effects.

btw., Norway is assessing about 30 deaths they think are associated with Pfizer as well, they claim they were from the first 42,000 Pfizer vaccinations, why aren't we seeing that reported? If that is true that is more than 10x higher than the alleged AstraZeneca vaccine death rate?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-14-2021

(03-14-2021, 04:13 AM)LP link Wrote:In the UK, they seem to think some regions where politics have overtaken science are cherry-picking correlations, because the the numbers do not show more than expected.

Phil Bryan, head of the UK Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said reports of blood clots so far didn't exceed what would have occurred naturally in the vaccinated population.

"Available evidence does not confirm that the vaccine is the cause," he said.

More than 11 million doses of AstraZeneca's vaccine have so far been administered across the UK.

As I've mentioned before, a lot of politics in all this, EU countries profit from Pfizer and Novavax as they are made for the EU within the EU, but not so much from AstraZeneca as it manufacturing is distributed globally. J&J vaccine was developed by Janssen (Netherlands) has partnered with Merck (Germany and Belgium), so again Merck make in the EU.

The alerts and reactions do not match the level of risk exposed in the stats.
LP, People are getting blood clots 2-3 days after the jab and you think there is no link, just coincidence?
Sth Africa canned it because it was only 25%
effective in their trials vs their own new strain.
They went with the more expensive JJ and the govt would have lost money..


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-14-2021

(03-14-2021, 05:59 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:LP, People are getting blood clots 2-3 days after the jab and you think there is no link, just coincidence?
Sth Africa canned it because it was only 25%
effective in their trials vs their own new strain.
They went with the more expensive JJ and the govt would have lost money..
Firstly, I'm not in a position to postulate a link to anything, I have to listen to the experts, not the media and politicians. The experts are saying the rate of incidents is basically the same as would be expected in that number of people over that period of time. As I've said before, when you start handing out millions and millions of shots you'll get all sorts of conditions occurring coincidentally.

btw., Norway's COVID rate is accelerating, now 800 new cases per million per week. COVID-19 also causes clotting, it now listed as one of the severe conditions associated with an infection! Wink

PS; It seems a bit rich to me to now be taking vaccine advice from countries that wanted natural herd immunity to do the same job just a few months ago!

I thought J&J was supposed to be cheaper, because the media spin is the cost is similar but it is only a single dose regime? Whether it is safer is not debateable because hardly any has been issued yet, compared to Pfizer or AstraZeneca, J&J greater safety is not yet based on the same level of evidence as Pfizer of AstraZeneca!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-14-2021

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2021/03/12/what-else-can-go-wrong-with-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine/?sh=e07a32e4b5cb

More countries cooling on it...Germany and France dont want a bar of it and the author of that article is suggesting the USA flog it to 3rd world nations to make a buck as its seen as inferior.  How many more countries do we need to can it before Scotty wakes up we can do better with the other vaccines.
If the English want to go down saluting the home grown product then good luck to them, doesnt mean we have to follow like sheep ...
Scotty has just had his second dose of Pfizer.....yet is spruking the AstraZ....how comforting...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-14-2021

(03-14-2021, 06:22 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2021/03/12/what-else-can-go-wrong-with-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine/?sh=e07a32e4b5cb

More countries cooling on it...Germany and France dont want a bar of it and the author of that article is suggesting the USA flog it to 3rd world nations to make a buck as its seen as inferior.  How many more countries do we need to can it before Scotty wakes up we can do better with the other vaccines.
If the English want to go down saluting the home grown product then good luck to them, doesnt mean we have to follow like sheep ...
Scotty has just had his second dose of Pfizer.....yet is spruking the AstraZ....how comforting...
As I've already mentioned, there is a lot of politics in all this, I'll take my advice from medical specialist and scientists not investment advisors. He might well have a case for being worried about your AstraZeneca investments given the media coverage, but nothing much he writes has relevance to the vaccination programs.

Ironically, nobody is asking given the millions and millions of doses of Pfizer already issue how they can't be reporting the same cases at the background level, is it the miracle vaccine against all illness and disease? Perhaps though it's due to selective reporting?

Most royalites paid for mRNA vaccine to the US and Germany are derived from Pfizer, not AstraZeneca.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 03-14-2021

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-ireland-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine/94d1ad6b-6c98-4750-9b52-0473d8b0a5ad

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-14-2021

(03-14-2021, 07:59 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-ireland-suspends-astrazeneca-vaccine/94d1ad6b-6c98-4750-9b52-0473d8b0a5ad
 How many cases of blood clots have Ireland had?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 03-14-2021

(03-14-2021, 09:10 PM)LP link Wrote:How many cases of blood clots have Ireland had?

Not sure you would have to ask the experts who have suspended the vaccine over there.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-14-2021

(03-14-2021, 09:13 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:Not sure you would have to ask the experts who have suspended the vaccine over there.
The officials said it was precautionary based on the Norway reports, they might not have any like Denmark which apparently suspended the vaccine first based on Norway's reports despite not having any cases of it's own!

It doesn't make sense, other countries have issued millions and millions of doses, if there was even a 1.0%, 0.1% or even 0.01% chance of this being correct there would be hundreds or thousands of cases, you can't defeat the math.

I think the absence of those cases isn't a sign of a super conspiracy, it's a sign of political, media or social media meddling.

I would have thought that Israel would be right onto this, they are at about 130% vaccination rate, that is all the population has received one jab and about 1/3rd of it a second. Although not all are AstraZeneca, and they started with Pfizer as it was available first. Israel published some interesting data a few weeks back, based on insurance claim data they were able to show no increase in claims as a result of the vaccine rollout, and a reduction in COVID-19 claims. But the media ignored that, it must be a conspiracy to keep it quiet.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 03-14-2021

(03-13-2021, 06:53 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:South Africa have actually scrapped the Astrazeneca in favour of the Johnson/Johnson single dose, it failed vs their own Sth African strain. Its the cheap, easy to store vaccine and thats why its popular with ScottyM......

I’m not sure that I would like to see public health decisions based on what’s happening in South Africa.  The study that found poor efficacy of the Astrazeneca vaccine looked at 1,000 31 year old men and it hasn’t been published or peer reviewed.

Of considerable concern is the SA Auditor-General’s report that found the SA COVID-19 related procurement is marred by opacity, corruption and mismanagement on a wide scale.

Meanwhile, “A careful review of all available safety data of more than 17 million people vaccinated in the European Union and UK with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia, in any defined age group, gender, batch or in any particular country.”

Ireland has temporarily suspended use of AstraZeneca’s vaccine “out of an abundance of caution”.  There’s nothing wrong with an abundance of caution except when it flies in the face of the evidence and has the potential to place folk at greater risk.  Fortunately, apart from the need to get our economy back to near normal, we don’t have the same urgency and can afford to be cautious.  However, our Therapeutic Goods Administration has received no reports of blood clots following use of the AstraZeneca vaccine in Australia. The TGA states that “extensive international experience does not indicate an increased risk of blood clots associated with the vaccine. Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon.”