(03-13-2021, 07:09 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Considering how few covid cases and how few covid deaths we've actually had the vaccine can't have a degree of failure that is as high as reported.

We are batting at 909 deaths off 29112 positive cases.

Off 25 million people thats tiny, so if this vaccine is even moderately dangerous then we are likely to cause more damage than we solve with it at the moment.  That could easily change but you know what I mean.

(03-13-2021, 08:24 AM)LP link Wrote:That doesn't mean the rest of the population will never get COVID, the vaccine prevents future infections the past is almost irrelevant when compared to the potential of COVID over the coming months.

Most deadly thing might be complacency!

(03-13-2021, 06:26 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Personally I'd chuck coppers in that group, they deal with all the awful things in our world for two tenths of SFA.

(03-13-2021, 09:31 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:You give 25 million people a vaccine and if its 1 in 1000 that end up with a problem you condemn 25000 people guaranteed to potentially save 1 in God knows how many positive who are also categorised as high risk and likely to kick it.

(03-13-2021, 11:59 PM)LP link Wrote:That's 0.1% of vaccinations if it's correct, but the global stats suggest the chance of severe reaction is even lower.

The figures just for COVID-19 deaths, not including severe illness and long term COVID-19 effects, is 2000%(20x) worse! The global death average is 2.2%, for 25 million infections that is 550,000 deaths or 2200% worse than your vaccines kill example!

Using severe reactions to the vaccine as the argument just doesn't make sense, because so far the vaccines are proving 100% effective at reducing or eliminating severe COVID-19 cases, so even if your are correct that's a 2190% improvement!

COVID-19 is a Corona virus, the same as the common cold, everybody gets it sooner or later, all 25.5 million of us! Which is why the scientists are now working hard on a generic broad spectrum vaccine that has a chance of working against any variant of coronavirus.

The "do not get the vaccine it's not safe" argument, is akin to arguing against car seat belts because they only save 98% of car accident victims.

(03-14-2021, 12:54 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:The herd immunity theory demands that some of the herd have to be sacrificed... why not keep those sacrificial numbers lower by using the safer vaccines and not the one that is the cheapest, easiest to store and distribute. It's clear the astrazeneca is the worst of the vaccines, why are we being forced into having it when other countries have suspended or scrapped it.
Why are we not waiting for the Novavax or JJ one dose variety...because they cost more to buy and store?

(03-14-2021, 12:54 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Putting on a seat belt isn't going to harm you, getting a jab with a vaccine that nine countries have pulled might.

(03-14-2021, 03:59 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/three-people-in-norway-treated-for-unusual-symptoms-after-astrazeneca-covid-19-shots-20210314-p57aj3.html