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Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - tonyo - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 12:57 PM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:He dropped the ball when tackled imho...I would have paid that as incorrect disposal. He was held onto for too long after the initial tackle but I would have paid the free to Taylor before that...I think Harry fumbled the ball just before the tackler got to him, and the tackle then lingered long after H did not have possession. Holding the man every day of the week, as the tackle did not cause the fumble.
Of course, the umps may well have paid advantage, at which point we get rewarded with Durdin's point.
But in a nutshell - 4 points in the bank, move on..... no dissent from me!
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - DJC - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 01:08 PM)tonyo link Wrote:I think Harry fumbled the ball just before the tackler got to him, and the tackle then lingered long after H did not have possession. Holding the man every day of the week, as the tackle did not cause the fumble.
Of course, the umps may well have paid advantage, at which point we get rewarded with Durdin's point.
But in a nutshell - 4 points in the bank, move on..... no dissent from me!
That's exactly as I saw it. Harry fumbled the ball before he was tackled and should have got a free for holding the man. The umpire's view was obscured by Harry and the tackler and a free either way would have been a guess. The umpire had a better view than Coniglio.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - Mav - 04-05-2023
Yep, if you watch a replay you see that Harry never took possession. He tried to grab the ball but never got a hand to it. It bobbled and then his left thigh (swinging through as he was running) knocked it beyond his reach. In fact, using the term ‘fumbled’ overstates it as he never had a piece of it at all.
And the tackle was only applied when the ball was a metre away from Harry and heading away from him. There’s absolutely no doubt that Harry didn’t have the ball. It was the most obvious case of holding the man that can be imagined, especially as the tackle dragged him down to the ground when the ball was clearly away from Harry and Taylor continued to hold him when they were on the ground.
The weird thing was that the umpire could be heard saying play on as the tackle started and still the tackle continued until Harry had been brought to ground. The umpire should have blown the whistle and awarded the free as the tackle continued.
This is not a case of advantage being allowed as the umpire has to blow the whistle and then wave the play on and call advantage. None of that happened.
That’s why IDGAF about whingers who moan that GWS was robbed. They were allowed to get away with the big steal initially but rather than behave like thieves in the night escaping with their ill-gotten gains, that tosser Coniglio had to put his foot in it. Justice was done and let the footy gods be praised.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - DJC - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 08:41 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Scores were level at that stage and they had momentum ...... pro sport usually has the karma bus making a visit when you get lucky like that and evening up the score somewhere down the line.
The Umps will burn us in an important game and make it even.......its going to happen imho.
The Giants were five points up before Durdin scored the behind. Motlop's goal put us two points up and we scored one goal and three behinds to the Giants' one behind after that. I thought that their two goals in the last quarter were against the run of play and that we looked more likely to score.
Harry was robbed of at least two frees in front of goal (not that he would necessarily have goaled) so the karma bus was right on schedule.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 01:47 PM)DJC link Wrote:The Giants were five points up before Durdin scored the behind. Motlop's goal put us two points up and we scored one goal and three behinds to the Giants' one behind after that. I thought that their two goals in the last quarter were against the run of play and that we looked more likely to score.Like I said I thought it was a free against Harry for incorrect disposal hence Coniglio and Whitfield complaining....happy to take the win but we will see where the karma bus parks in the next few games, the Crows Game will be tough but I would expect to thump Nth.
Harry was robbed of at least two frees in front of goal (not that he would necessarily have goaled) so the karma bus was right on schedule.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - madbluboy - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 08:29 AM)Mav link Wrote:IDGAF. Do they think Harry was unlucky to miss out on a free for holding the man? I’m guessing they’d say that such decisions are just the rub of the green …
I thought it was dropping the ball but was fine with the play on call as he only had it a split second before he flicked it out.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - Gointocarlton - 04-05-2023
This has to be some kind of record, 16 pages on the Post Game, 4 on the game, 12 on one free kick.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - DJC - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 08:30 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:I thought it was dropping the ball but was fine with the play on call as he only had it a split second before he flicked it out.
I think that “play on” was the most likely call given the umpire’s view of the play.
Imagine the angst if he’d paid a free either way. Of course, Harry wouldn’t be a Monty to goal from there.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - DJC - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 09:18 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:This has to be some kind of record, 16 pages on the Post Game, 4 on the game, 12 on one free kick.
One of the most debated free kicks ever. It’s got to be up there with Doug Wade being penalised for holding Peter Barry’s shorts seconds before he marked dead in front … and we won by less than a goal; an indelible memory ?
Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton - crashlander - 04-06-2023
I've seen enough of the game now to be damned frustrated. We could have really killed this lot in the 3rd quarter: shot after shot for no rewards.
As for Lochie O'Brien, he has to be dropped from that effort. he needs to get a full game into him, a bit of form and a bit of belief. At the moment, he is showing nothing.
Against Richmond he wasn't that bad, even though he mucked up the kick that would have won it. Since then he's delivered nothing.
It was nice seeing Jack Silvagni showing some form. Not having to waste himself in the ruck allowed him to play a game much more suited to himself.
I can't say enough about Nick Newman; his game was excellent.