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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 02:39 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Marshall was originally a forward, with Ryder they can play him forward more and make up for losing McCartin and Bruce.
Ryder's 200no and a small ruckman at that - barely taller than Weiters!!
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 02:00 AM)LP link Wrote:What use is referencing a bunch of 2nd ruck B or C graders when discussing a potential Kreuzer replacement?
2nd rucks, the definition of placeholders behind guys like Grundy, Ryder, Martin, Kreuzer, .
Preuss is down the ruck pecking order at the Dees, they've already picked up another kid to supersede him. Preuss might play ruck in the VFL, but that is basically two clubs and two fails, yet not many would suggest Preuss is weaker ruck option than Pittonet.
Smith at the Lions is in 3rd or 4th place in the 1st ruck pecking order.
Marshall needed Ryder to bail him out as a 1st ruck option, yet Marshall cleaned up our own 2nd ruck options and would be rated by most of our fans as well ahead of a guy like Pittonet.
you really don't like admitting you're wrong, do you?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - laj - 06-17-2020
Being the 2nd best ruck in a club these days can be like being Australia's 2nd best wicketkeeper. Damn hard to get a game.
De Koning will eventually turn out very well for us. Will ruck well and can do well forward too. Look forward to him playing when he's eventually ready.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 05:29 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Ryder's 200no and a small ruckman at that - barely taller than Weiters!!
Ryder is 196cm....always had a great jump and has been under rated IMO but like Kreuzer is just hanging on now...
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 05:38 AM)laj link Wrote:Being the 2nd best ruck in a club these days can be like being Australia's 2nd best wicketkeeper. Damn hard to get a game.Presumptuous?
De Koning will eventually turn out very well for us. Will ruck well and can do well forward too. Look forward to him playing when he's eventually ready.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 05:38 AM)laj link Wrote:Being the 2nd best ruck in a club these days can be like being Australia's 2nd best wicketkeeper. Damn hard to get a game.
De Koning will eventually turn out very well for us. Will ruck well and can do well forward too. Look forward to him playing when he's eventually ready.
I like TDK and reckon he is very talented but I doubt he will be able to play a full season ever, very injury prone and
I just wish we could make him more robust. I'm more of the view he will survive longer if used sparingly in the ruck and more down forward.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-17-2020
(06-16-2020, 06:08 AM)Lods link Wrote:I wasn't talking successful clubs in terms of recent history.My point was Lods they prepared well and were ready to go when the ball was bounced rnd 2. Your mob is still trying to figure out when the season re-starts (so to speak)
The early successful clubs in this bastardised 2020 season will be the ones that get their act together quickest.after the resumption.
Few if any seasons have had such a disruption after the season has commenced.
The uncertainty of the timing of the recommencement would also have impacted on the players.
Last weekend was virtually a new start to the year.
How individual players will have coped with the problems of isolation will vary dramatically.
Some will hit the ground without missing a beat and that will go for some teams as well.
Other will take a few weeks to hit their stride.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 05:44 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I like TDK and reckon he is very talented but I doubt he will be able to play a full season ever, very injury prone andThat describes at least a dozen on the list.
I just wish we could make him more robust. I'm more of the view he will survive longer if used sparingly in the ruck and more down forward.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 05:31 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:you really don't like admitting you're wrong, do you?
It's not about being right or wrong, it's just a discussion that most do not take personally, so relax and join the debate.
Do you think Pittonet is better than Preuss, Marshall, Cameron or Smith, if you do what is the basis for that assessment?
FWIW, last season Marshall was probably amongst the BoG against us twice, putting SpecialK and Levi to the sword! Even so Ratten now has Marshall playing 2nd fiddle to Ryder. Of course in those games we played SpecialK under-done or injured with only Levi as a viable backup, and Levi as a ruck option is not up to it. McKay was next to worthless as well, the only part of McKay that is ruck is his height and there the analogy ends!
Are any of those listed above at the current or previous levels of SpecialK, Gawn, Grundy, Naitanui or any other 1st ruck?
If not then how are they viable replacements for a 1st ruck, ever?
What's the point of spending time developing supplementary types, shouldn't we be trying to find a genuine 1st ruck replacement, someone the equivalent of a fit SpecialK? At this stage there seems to be only one hope on our list, De Koning.
When fans post about have a solo first ruck, I doubt they are thinking about having a Pittonet, Marshall, Cameron, Casboult, etc., etc., type 1st rucking in a premiership hunt. I suspect they are thinking about Gawn, Grundy, Naitanui, martin or Nankervis type, unambiguously 1st rucks.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 06:15 AM)LP link Wrote:It's not about being right or wrong, you seem to take this very personally, and it seems to me deeply hate having your arbitrary proclamations questioned.
Do you think Pittonet is better than Preuss, Marshall, Cameron or Smith, if you do what is the basis for that assessment?
FWIW, last season Marshall was probably amongst the BoG against us twice, putting SpecialK and Levi to the sword! Even so Ratten now has Marshall playing 2nd fiddle to Ryder.
Are any of those listed above at the level of SpecialK, Gawn, Grundy, Naitanui, 1st rucks?
If not then how are they viable replacements for a 1st ruck, ever?
What's the point of spending time developing supplementary types, shouldn't we be trying to find a genuine 1st ruck replacement?
It's way too early to judge Pittonet but nothing to suggest (currently) he's not the equal or better of 3 of the first 4 mentioned. Marshall is (currently) a better player.
My point - in response to your original comments - is that there is nothing to suggest Pittonet can't be a very capable first ruck. Big unit (202cm, 105kg) with mongrel, good mark, not slow, appears durable and has an excellent work ethic. And knows how to lay a tackle!
https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/461242/pittonets-dominance-recognised
Special K is all but dusted sadly, Gawn is 29 this year (121 games now, had only played 20 odd games at Pittonet's age) , Grundy is 26 with 134 games), Naitanui just hit 30, 168 games.