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Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - Lods - 05-27-2019
(05-27-2019, 07:40 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:There's no major issue with the list.
There's no major problem with the coaching from what I can see as we seem to make mistakes more than play a poor game plan (if that makes sense).
All of it is simply a matter of time.
Most of our best 22 just need a few more pre seasons, and it would be of benefit if our over 100 games would stop breaking down.
Isn't that just a guess though?
Who knows how these kids are going to develop?
Dylan Buckley and Troy Menzel were rising star nominations.....gone from the list now.
Is there strong evidence that our development is any better, you could have mounted an argument for that a few weeks back....but it's looking a bit shaky now.
Some will surely improve with games...others will never make it.
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - Baggers - 05-27-2019
(05-27-2019, 07:41 AM)Lods link Wrote:The key word there Baggers is probably' pressure'.
When a side applies real pressure to us things that looked easy will often become difficult and things fall apart, especially skills.
Yep. That's been my knock on us for over a year now... we just go to water under real pressure, almost to a man.
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - Jack Burton - 05-27-2019
This is only home and away pressure. If we ever play finals again that's a whole new level
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - Vivian - 05-27-2019
(05-27-2019, 07:40 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:There's no major issue with the list.
There's no major problem with the coaching from what I can see as we seem to make mistakes more than play a poor game plan (if that makes sense).
All of it is simply a matter of time.
Most of our best 22 just need a few more pre seasons, and it would be of benefit if our over 100 games would stop breaking down.
Yep. Our approach has probably been found wanting in some of the more mature players we recruited. Lamb, palmer, kerridge and a few others would have ideally been of more service. But there are not a lot of options or spare afl level footballers sitting around unemployed so we gave been handicapped there.
As you say, game plan is sound, albeit a challenging one. Just will take time for the players to put it together.
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - laj - 05-27-2019
(05-27-2019, 07:40 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:There's no major issue with the list.
There's no major problem with the coaching from what I can see as we seem to make mistakes more than play a poor game plan (if that makes sense).
All of it is simply a matter of time.
Most of our best 22 just need a few more pre seasons, and it would be of benefit if our over 100 games would stop breaking down.
They also need to be soooo much better than 4 wins from 42, 1-9 and bottom of the ladder 4th year. If it hasn't started a run up the ladder yet it's not happening. All but about 4 players have been on lists 3 years or more and on the bottom so that is no excuse to be as bad as we are.
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - WASurfer - 05-27-2019
With all due respect to Rhys Palmer, he was part of the Marchbank "deal".....to get Marchbank for the pick we gave up, we also had to take Palmer of GWS' hands and his contract for one year. But agree, most of the mature players we've got through in recent years haven't been up to it. I like Newman as he offers a bit and hopefully McGovern has more of an influence in games.
The problem is we're anchored to the bottom of the ladder (AGAIN) and it's gonna be very hard to tempt decent players from other clubs. And players using Free Agency to move clubs aren't going to want to go to a team that's at the bottom of the ladder, especially if they want to taste some success and not just take the $$$. It's why in the last few years we've courted blokes like Rockliff, Devon Smith, Dylan Shiel etc and haven't been able to tempt any of them.
If we can identify exactly what we need, then we can give up a very good young player and our first round pick next year to a club that has something we need.
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - JonHenry - 05-27-2019
(05-27-2019, 07:47 AM)Lods link Wrote:Isn't that just a guess though?
Yep
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - capcom - 05-27-2019
(05-27-2019, 06:22 AM)Blue Moon link Wrote:Capcom, the plan is simple, in 2015 the club admitted it stuffed things up in 2011.
That is the plan, now tell me the alternative that doesn't start and end with sacking everone.
I'm not wide awake in dreamland. Time is up. 25 years without a flag might be acceptable to some. It is not to me ... or the inevitable dwindling membership placing their faith in a losing cause.
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - JonHenry - 05-27-2019
(05-27-2019, 08:56 AM)capcom link Wrote:I'm not wide awake in dreamland. Time is up. 25 years without a flag might be acceptable to some. It is not to me ... or the inevitable dwindling membership placing their faith in a losing cause.
I’m more worried about losing Cripps and Walsh than members
Re: Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda - Jack Burton - 05-27-2019
Me too. Membership is actually going up, but won't continue to go up next year unless something changes big time