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Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 08:23 AM)kruddler link Wrote:For people wondering where the improvement will come from, lets look at our B+F from last year.
1st - Patrick Cripps (166 votes) - Still rock solid, probably even improved!
2nd - Kade Simpson (108 votes) - Struggling a bit
3rd - Ed Curnow, Charlie Curnow (98 votes) - Ed would be down on his efforts last year, Charlie definitely down
5th - Dale Thomas (71 votes) - Maybe not as good as last year, but not terrible this year.
6th - Liam Jones (48 votes) - Possibly lifted his game this year. Was a bit up and down last year.
7th - Zac Fisher (47 votes) - Tracking about the same as last year
8th - Sam Rowe (43 votes) - GONE
9th - Matthew Wright (39 votes) - GONE
10th - Marc Murphy (39 votes) - Injured for a lot of last year, but down on form this season
What does it mean?
Plenty of old heads in that bunch. 2 are gone. Murphy, Simpson, IMO Ed and down on last years effort and some might argue Daisy as well. That is 5 or 6 of last years top 10, being the OLD GUARD.
From the others...
Jones (although 28) has probably improved.
Fisher coming back from injury is probably about the same
Cripps has probably gone to a category ABOVE elite.
Charlie has been struggling.
So 3 from the 4 younger group have been solid or better....with Charlie still lacking.
Who have been our best players this year?
Cripps
Walsh (obviously not around last year)
Weitering
SPS
McKay
....insert kids name here.
Conclusion....
Results show little improvement on the win/loss sheet. However, looking at individuals, its pretty clear that the younger brigade are starting to pull their weight now and the older brigade are struggling to match previous efforts.
Basically, we are in a transition stage. You need to look at the individuals to see what our results mean, not look at the results in isolation.
End result...
Back off Bolts, its all going to plan...
So abject failure is the plan. ???
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 09:13 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Funny.
Glad I amuse you. I think you're a cheeky little possum too... ;D
Re: If Not BB, Who? - kruddler - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 09:44 AM)Baggers link Wrote:So abject failure is the plan. ???
Push the senior players to the periphery and let the kids start to take over. Its working.
All we need now is for our kids to grow out of being kids....and with that comes the rise to the top.
....if, of course, you don't have a hissy fit and sack the coach first.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - jeza - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 09:48 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Push the senior players to the periphery and let the kids start to take over. Its working.
All we need now is for our kids to grow out of being kids....and with that comes the rise to the top.
....if, of course, you don't have a hissy fit and sack the coach first.
I don't think anyone is thinking hissy fit. The reality is that all the odds are stacked against Bolton though.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - kruddler - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 10:39 AM)jeza link Wrote:I don't think anyone is thinking hissy fit. The reality is that all the odds are stacked against Bolton though.
Are they though? All stacked against him??
Yes, he has been copping some heat of late, most of which i'm failing to see why. 10 goal loss, sure. More scoring shots and lose, not the time to be going after him.
Anywho...
Just because some people are coming for him, does that make them right? The vocal minority is a big worry.
Ask the US about voting in Trump.
Ask the UK about voting for Brexit.
Vocal minorities can do dangerous things, and in many cases its best we ignore them and keep on our merry way.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Professer E - 04-12-2019
Lot of vocal minorities in this country as well.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - DJC - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 10:39 AM)jeza link Wrote:I don't think anyone is thinking hissy fit. The reality is that all the odds are stacked against Bolton though.
No hissy fits? You haven’t been paying attention to the efforts of other posters
I’m not sure that the odds are stacked against Bolton. The club has embarked on a process that we have never attempted before and the board must have been fully aware that it was a long term process. Bolton must have this season and next, at a minimum, to demonstrate that his way will get us our next flag.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Lods - 04-12-2019
The club selected a rookie coach for the long term...in effect to grow and develop with the young players.
The experience is no doubt teaching Bolton some valuable lessons and as a result of that you would expect that his coaching will improve.
At the same time folks are quite entitled to look at the results and question the merits of both the coaching and development.
Maybe things are on the improve, but the results don't yet indicate that the course on which we've embarked will be successful in the long term.
The real goal is a sustained period of success.
We can't keep moving the goal posts....and keep saying "well maybe another year."
That would be acceptable if the number of wins and ladder position were improving each year....but they're heading in the other direction.
Individual player improvement is fine but unless it's across board and the individuals are also combining as a team it's pretty meaningless.
Results can turn quickly....no doubt.
But they can also stagnate, and the years in the wilderness can be long.
We need more than "little signs" just at the moment.
We need a period of a couple of games that indicate we've turned the corner, the players are developing and this bloke Bolton knows a thing or two about coaching.
Hopefully that starts this weekend.
The odds may not be stacked against Bolton but....
It's a fluctuating market and like it or not, like any market, it's governed by results
Re: If Not BB, Who? - kruddler - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 11:28 PM)Lods link Wrote:The club selected a rookie coach for the long term...in effect to grow and develop with the young players.
The experience is no doubt teaching Bolton some valuable lessons and as a result of that you would expect that his coaching will improve.
At the same time folks are quite entitled to look at the results and question the merits of both the coaching and development.
Maybe things are on the improve, but the results don't yet indicate that the course on which we've embarked will be successful in the long term.
The real goal is a sustained period of success.
We can't keep moving the goal posts....and keep saying "well maybe another year."
That would be acceptable if the number of wins and ladder position were improving each year....but they're heading in the other direction.
Individual player improvement is fine but unless it's across board and the individuals are also combining as a team it's pretty meaningless.
Results can turn quickly....no doubt.
But they can also stagnate, and the years in the wilderness can be long.
We need more than "little signs" just at the moment.
We need a period of a couple of games that indicate we've turned the corner, the players are developing and this bloke Bolton knows a thing or two about coaching.
Hopefully that starts this weekend.
The odds may not be stacked against Bolton but....
It's a fluctuating market and like it or not, like any market, it's governed by results
I don't think the goal posts have moved lods. People just didn't know where they were and took an ill-informed guess.
From blokes like flyboy who thought we were basically finals bound last year, to blokes now who think we are so far off that we need to sack the coach.
The club always said, 3 years of hitting the draft hard, then we'll have the core group to start climbing up the ladder to ultimate glory.
Now we start the climb. It'll take a little bit to get our feet, but once we get our eye in, improvement will be exponential.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Thryleon - 04-12-2019
(04-12-2019, 11:28 PM)Lods link Wrote:The club selected a rookie coach for the long term...in effect to grow and develop with the young players.
The experience is no doubt teaching Bolton some valuable lessons and as a result of that you would expect that his coaching will improve.
At the same time folks are quite entitled to look at the results and question the merits of both the coaching and development.
Maybe things are on the improve, but the results don't yet indicate that the course on which we've embarked will be successful in the long term.
The real goal is a sustained period of success.
We can't keep moving the goal posts....and keep saying "well maybe another year."
That would be acceptable if the number of wins and ladder position were improving each year....but they're heading in the other direction.
Individual player improvement is fine but unless it's across board and the individuals are also combining as a team it's pretty meaningless.
Results can turn quickly....no doubt.
But they can also stagnate, and the years in the wilderness can be long.
We need more than "little signs" just at the moment.
We need a period of a couple of games that indicate we've turned the corner, the players are developing and this bloke Bolton knows a thing or two about coaching.
Hopefully that starts this weekend.
The odds may not be stacked against Bolton but....
It's a fluctuating market and like it or not, like any market, it's governed by results
Actually lods, we have to maintain the status quo.
This is a bit like driving around Australia. You can head east, or you can head west before it turns north. Both will end up at the exact same destination eventually unless you keep changing direction.
That's the only way to ensure you never get anywhere.
Our club has continuously embarked on a plan only to abandon it before it could bear fruit.
This time we need to be bloody minded and continue our current methodology for the next ten years with minimal deviation. Half the reason we can't attract a decent player is because the blokes who come to us end up finalizing their careers with us unless they jump ship.