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Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - Thryleon - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 12:01 AM)LP link Wrote:Shaw is an interesting selection, like Polson before him, his form had peaks and tapered off before they actually gave him a run! Seriously, what is with this?
He has a bit of pace, so it will be interesting to see what he can do on Docklands fast dry surface. He won't find a better ground to suit his game style, or a better team to match up on because the Aints while very fast are also quite small!
In isolation it doesn't mean alot, but when you put this phenomemon together with Polson getting a 2 year contract extension on the back of 0 proven ability to play footy at the highest level, the only explanation I can come up with is that these blokes are doing everything possible to make something of themselves, whilst others are not, which earns them a game, (and in Polson's case, a contract).
It means we have blokes not applying themselves appropriately at Carlton.
This is why we have been this poor. Is that a coaching issue? Make up your own mind, but you can't motivate people if they are not the types to drive themselves. They will do whats easy rather than whats necessary.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - blue4life - 07-13-2018
(07-12-2018, 12:57 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Excluding the kids, of which there are many, only Murphy and Cripps would get a gig elsewhere...
Ed C? Maybe, just...somewhere.
And we always have that many passengers, minimum! Sadly.
Kreuzer would get a game at most clubs.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 12:04 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:In isolation it doesn't mean alot, but when you put this phenomemon together with Polson getting a 2 year contract extension on the back of 0 proven ability to play footy at the highest level, the only explanation I can come up with is that these blokes are doing everything possible to make something of themselves, whilst others are not, which earns them a game, (and in Polson's case, a contract).
It means we have blokes not applying themselves appropriately at Carlton.
This is why we have been this poor. Is that a coaching issue? Make up your own mind, but you can't motivate people if they are not the types to drive themselves. They will do whats easy rather than whats necessary.
Let's just say superficially, there seems to be a lack of integrity in our MC selections when guys playing well cannot get a game, and yet when they are struggling to get a touch they get the nod! I'm not going to make any accusations or draw conclusions about why this happens, but again superficially there seems to be a trending connection and pattern!
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - blue4life - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 12:04 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:It means we have blokes not applying themselves appropriately at Carlton.
I don't know how you reach that conclusion.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 12:22 AM)blue4life link Wrote:I don't know how you reach that conclusion.
It's not unreasonable to conclude this, that players in poor form but making the effort would get the nod over players in better form who seem to lack the application.
FWIW, while assisting at TAC Cup Dev level I've seen would be champions of the game cut from squads because they lacked intensity at training despite being among the BoGs on match days!
I'm not saying that it's fair or correct, but it seems to be a thing that coaches look for!
The real worry for me is that when injuries or poor form result in someone like McKay getting a run despite apparently being in cruise mode at VFL level! IMHO McKay deserves a run this week even less than SoJ had deserved a return from the AFL, and that is saying something, because young SoJ had really only displayed his midfield ignorance! That sort of selection sends mixed messages and can be very disruptive to a club!
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - jeza - 07-13-2018
(07-12-2018, 11:50 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Must've been all the smiling in the crowd he was doing. ;D
He's improved so much in 1 week I reckon we should send him back up to the Gabba this week to sit in the stand and watch another game. Clearly it's improving our young players performance.
Unbelievable that they did that. Drop Casboult and play a 27 year old backup ruckman out of position as a key forward and have your gun #10 draft pick full forward sitting in the stands watching!
What a moronic decision that was.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 12:29 AM)jeza link Wrote:He's improved so much in 1 week I reckon we should send him back up to the Gabba this week to sit in the stand and watch another game. Clearly it's improving our young players performance.
Unbelievable that they did that. Drop Casboult and play a 27 year old backup ruckman out of position as a key forward and have your gun #10 draft pick full forward sitting in the stands watching!
What a moronic decision that was.
Especially given that Hipwood who is so similar to Harry did so well for Brisbane.......and Brisbane's defense isnt overly tall or stacked with star power, perfect game for Harry to play in....
Think Stefan Martin worried the coaches box so much they lost sight of having to score goals and went with the genuine ruck backup.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - blue4life - 07-13-2018
(07-13-2018, 12:27 AM)LP link Wrote:IMHO McKay deserves a run this week even less than SoJ had deserved a return from the AFL, and that is saying something, because young SoJ had really only displayed his midfield ignorance! That sort of selection sends mixed messages and can be very disruptive to a club!
I think that on forums like this people tend to add two plus two and come up with five from time to time.
Shaw is playing this week, to the best of my knowledge he's an average player and his VFL form hasn't been anything to get excited about.
Pickett played a reasonable game in the VFL a few weeks ago but struggled badly in the seniors last week, Polson really hasn't shown anything much at senior level so far but he's playing tonight.
We are a poorly performed team with some significant injuries, the bottom of the barrel is being well and truly scraped.
Many of our seemingly mysterious selections are simply down to a lack of options.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-13-2018
Down on troops but the obvious backups in OShea, Mullet and Graham are not playing...
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Pre Game Prattle: Carlton vs St Kilda - Thryleon - 07-13-2018
St. Kilda vs Carlton (Games played this year/Total games played in career thus far):
B---Jarryn Geary (13/176)-----Jake Carlisle (11/118)----Jimmy Webster (12/80)
HB----Daniel McKenzie (6/27)---Sam Gilbert (6/203)---Jack Newnes (15/128)
C--- Shane Savage (15/138)----Jack Steele (14/51)----Jack Sinclair (13/57)
HF---Jack Billings (14/78)-------Tim Membrey (13/63)---Luke Dunstan (12/81)
F-----Jade Gresham (15/55)--- Rowan Marshall(6/7)----Maverick Weller(10/118)
Fol---Tom Hickey (9/75)--------Sebastian Ross(15/96)---Jack Steven (15/169)
I/C---Hunter Clark (12/12), Jack Lonie (5/44), David Armitage (9/161), Ed Phillips (5/5)
Emg
Hugh Goddard (0/9), Brandon White (6/10), Bailey Rice (6/6), Ben Paton (0/0)
Carlton
B---Dale Thomas (14/232)----Sam Rowe(11/93)---Jed Lamb(12/60)
HB---Kade Simpson(14/300)---Liam Jones(15/110)--Caleb Marchbank(5/28)
C----Zac Fisher(15/32)----Patrick Cripps(15/74)----Marc Murphy(6/242)
HF---Jarrod Pickett (2/12)---Charlie Curnow(13/40)---Jarrod Garlett (10/27)
F---Paddy Dow(14/14)--Harry McKay(6/8)---Sam Petrevski-Seton (15/35)
Fol--Matthew Kreuzer(11/172)---Matthew Kennedy(8/27)---Ed Curnow (14/136)
I/C---Lochie O'Brien(11/11)---Cameron Polson(5/6)---Jack Silvagni(9/37)---Matt Shaw (0/102)
Emg: Cameron O'Shea (10/91), Nick Graham (7/45), Pat Kerr (4/4), Levi Casboult (9/103)
Statistical breakdown in games played (excluding emergencies):
0-50 games - Saints: 6 vs Blues: 12
50-100 games - Saints: 8 vs Blues: 3
100 - 150 games - Saints: 4, vs Blues: 4
150 - 200 games - Saints: 3 vs Blues: 1
200 - 250 games - Saints: 1 vs Blues: 1
250 - 300 games - Saints: 0 vs Blues: 0
300+ games - Saints: 0 vs Blues: 1
Of our sub 50 gamers 5 of them are yet to have played 1 full seasons worth of matches irrespective of how many years they have been on the list, and that is not due to lack of opportunity, but generally due to injuries.