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Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 07-09-2018
(07-08-2018, 11:31 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Actually I forgot to add Jones had to leave his man because of Dow's error. We all would have blamed Jones but our zone was already broken and is probably the reason why Jones finds himself in that situation.
Fair comment MBB. I wasn't trying to single out Jones, or even blame our defence necessarily, there seems to be confusion throughout the team atm. I don't think our players are as bad as they look at times - I think they are also struggling with their roles and with the game plan. BB will not budge though so we'll see.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 07-09-2018
The only thing that has come out of this year is .....thank F for Essendon!
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - blue4life - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 12:43 AM)PaulP link Wrote:A zone defense or zones all over the ground is more brains than brawn, and require each and every player to understand their role and stick with it. Man on man is more meat and potatoes. Adopting zones in defense or elsewhere has merit - the outcome is less determined by one on one battles (ideal if you don't have the right match ups in key areas), it helps to spread the risk, and also can mean less running, especially helpful for youngsters or the aerobically challenged.
The problem is it only takes one error of judgment, or injuries to key personnel, for it to fall apart.
And players need to play with one another for an extended period to make it all work, but not only do we have raw beginners trying to learn the basics we can't seem to get any continuity due to our run of injuries.
There were five changes again this week, three of them forced, and then we lost three players during the game.
The result was really a foregone conclusion.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - kruddler - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 01:23 AM)laj link Wrote:The only thing that has come out of this year is .....thank F for Essendon!
Worst season in our history?
Its ok, we still beat essendon.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 01:29 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Worst season in our history?
Its ok, we still beat essendon.
Think a bit harder. Have to say that alot.
Essendon will save us the embarrassment of a zero season.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - Thryleon - 07-09-2018
(07-08-2018, 11:31 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Actually I forgot to add Jones had to leave his man because of Dow's error. We all would have blamed Jones but our zone was already broken and is probably the reason why Jones finds himself in that situation.
Fox footy showed Marc Murphy repeat the exact same error at half back from behind the goals on saturday.
He got sucked into the contest, in the middle of the ground, leaving Zorko un-accounted for, the ball was simply chipped over him which created a scoring opportunity.
I can't remember if someone then ran off to Zorko, but it was easy as you like.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - madbluboy - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 02:50 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Fox footy showed Marc Murphy repeat the exact same error at half back from behind the goals on saturday.
He got sucked into the contest, in the middle of the ground, leaving Zorko un-accounted for, the ball was simply chipped over him which created a scoring opportunity.
I can't remember if someone then ran off to Zorko, but it was easy as you like.
Well there you go.
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - Thryleon - 07-09-2018
Yep. we are unimpressed at the youngsters not getting it, and yet here is our captain who we begged to stay with us, repeating the exact same problems.
Now Im all for players making mistakes, but what hope do we have if the captain makes the same errors?
Then there is the other side of that coin... Perhaps they were doing what they were asked to, and our opposition dont respect our players, and know that they will get beaten anyway and let them run into the contest.
It could be that had Murphy impacted we'd be going the other way and scoring with a number advantage.
You would have to be the coach to know either way...
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - LP - 07-09-2018
Murphy is newer to defense than Jones, just because he's been around a long time and is captain shouldn't make people think he knows what he is doing in the back line!
We've been doing this the whole season, but the fans point the finger at Jones and Weitering. Too many see the effect and are oblivious to the cause! They'll call it pissweak defense.
In reality, if our blokes take the football in the same midfield situation, a Lions forward will chase us down! Our forwards jog along behind pointing fingers at defenders to get him, then we clap them for taking one contested mark a quarter! Refer to McKay and Casboult!
Re: 2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane - Thryleon - 07-09-2018
(07-09-2018, 04:35 AM)LP link Wrote:Murphy is newer to defense than Jones, just because he's been around a long time and is captain shouldn't make people think he knows what he is doing in the back line!
We've been doing this the whole season, but the fans point the finger at Jones and Weitering. Too many see the effect and are oblivious to the cause! They'll call it pissweak defense.
In reality, if our blokes take the football in the same midfield situation, a Lions forward will chase us down! Our forwards jog along behind pointing fingers at defenders to get him, then we clap them for taking one contested mark a quarter! Refer to McKay and Casboult!
Na, he's a 200 gamer and supposed leader of the club. He should know his midfield role like the back of his hand, and getting sucked into a midfield contest is either him taking the onus onto himself to leave the role he was assigned in an effort to fix what someone else is doing wrong or deciding that defending wasn't his go, with the only other option being, that this is what he thought he was supposed to do.