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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 05-05-2016
(05-05-2016, 08:28 AM)ItsOurTime link Wrote:Not saying that this wasnt reported but the analysis is off the mark.
Oh, I see.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 05-05-2016
Trump is different
There will be many Republicans who wont vote for him.
There will be many nominally Democrats who will.
..one of the things he is doing is drawing out non -committed independent voters.
The result will be determined by how these factions play out.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - hotspur - 05-06-2016
(05-05-2016, 06:58 AM)Lods link Wrote:We really don't know what we're getting with Trump should he become President....Agree Lods but with Clinton are we going to get the same wishy washy government like Obama ,who treats his allies as the enemy and treat his enemies as his friends.She has a lot of work to do ,dont think she is capable
He could be the ''fruit loop'' we all fear (in which case be very afraid) ....or he could run it like a business and surround himself with a group of competent people, the best at what they do, and it all turns out hunky dory.
sorry
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - laj - 05-07-2016
(05-05-2016, 08:48 AM)Lods link Wrote:Trump is different
There will be many Republicans who wont vote for him.
There will be many nominally Democrats who will.
..one of the things he is doing is drawing out non -committed independent voters.
The result will be determined by how these factions play out.
I'm thinking there'll be bugger all Democrats that'll vote for him. They know he's a loose cannon.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - ItsOurTime - 05-07-2016
(05-07-2016, 01:38 AM)laj link Wrote:I'm thinking there'll be bugger all Democrats that'll vote for him. They know he's a loose cannon.
There's polls showing that more Democrats will vote for Trump than Republicans that will vote for Hilary - twice as many in some cases. The numbers also tend to favour Trump if the poll allows for voters not to vote for either party. Not to mention how wildly off the polling has been.
If i were a Democrat super delegate, I'd be looking at Sanders - which is equally remarkable.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - cookie2 - 05-07-2016
Now Trump pretty much has the nomination in the bag I wouldn't be at all surprised to see something of a mellowing and rapprochment with the GOP.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - madbluboy - 05-16-2016
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/are-sanders-supporters-ever-going-vote-clinton-if-shes-nominee
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 05-16-2016
From the above link...
Quote:One of the most striking—and disturbing—takeaways from Tuesday’s West Virginia Democratic primary were exit polls that found large numbers of Bernie Sanders supporters saying if not Bernie, they would actually vote for Donald Trump next fall.
A little known fact is that the West Virginian state rock is in fact....coal ;D
Clinton's not the flavour of the month with coal miners
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 05-16-2016
Why would Clinton worry about what WVa voters have to say about anything? That's very much a Red State. In 2008, McCain won it by 13% and in 2012 Romney won it by 27%. As its 5 Electoral college votes all go to the winner, there's no point bothering about cutting Trump's margin. Clinton merely needed to cut Sanders' margin as the Democratic primaries aren't winner-take-all - pledged delegates are awarded proportionally. Now the primary is over, she couldn't give a damn about WVa.
If you want to figure out how Sanders voters will behave in swing states, you don't analyse exit or other polls in a conservative State. You look at polls in swing states. Even then, why bother doing that before the Democratic nominee has been chosen? Of course, Sanders voters are still hoping for a miracle and will say they'll vote for Trump if they don't get their way. In the highly-likely event that Clinton is the nominee, that emotional blackmail will no longer have any point. Clinton voters in 2008 were vociferous about refusing to vote for Obama if he became the nominee but came back to the fold when she lost. Especially if Sanders wins concessions from Clinton regarding her platform, he'll be happy to campaign for her and call on his supporters to vote for her and against Trump. Senator Elizabeth Warren has a good chance of becoming Clinton's running mate and she's Bernie Sanders in drag.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 05-16-2016
The point though is this...There are regional issues that influence results.
The states are very diverse.
To apply a reason for a result in an exit poll in one state nation wide and make a prediction is really fruitless
The USA is more like a group of independent countries.