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Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - BlackRooster - 05-05-2015
(05-03-2015, 08:33 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Too many failed draft picks is the simple answer.
Since we got back in the draft in 2004 there isn't a single player on our list except Armfield taken outside of the first round apart from a couple in the last few years who have played the odd game and may or may not be on the list in 2017.
That's 10 years of misses, it can't be all bad luck.
Add to that first round misses like Lucas, Watson and Bootsma and there is our problem in a nut shell.
It wouldn't matter who the coach was, we don't have the cattle.
Blue4Life you have got that in one. Dont forget we threw away a round two and three pick for Warnock
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - PassIt2Carrots - 05-05-2015
Just the second round pick I think Rooster. It was a failed trade nonetheless.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - shadesy - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 10:23 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Just the second round pick I think Rooster. It was a failed trade nonetheless.
Which also meant we lost Jacobs
Considering we gave up JK because we wanted Kruezer.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - Professer E - 05-05-2015
But turned second rounders into Docherty and Everitt.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - DJC - 05-05-2015
I understand that coves who contribute a certain amount to the club get to sit in the coach's box and it was Edelston's turn on Friday.
I'm not sure how Edelston can afford to make that contribution given that he settled his bankruptcy earlier this year with creditors accepting just a few cents in the dollar. However, even if Edelston was able to chip in a seven figure sum, the club should say "Thanks, but no thanks!"
Edelston's association with our club and his presence in the coach's box epitomises the stench that permeates our off field culture and high level decision making; if you've got enough cash, you can have a say in deciding what's best for Carlton, regardless of your character or expertise.
If LoGiudice has (a) balls and (b) the best interests of our club at heart, he should send Edelston packing.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - townsendcalling - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 12:06 PM)DJC link Wrote:I understand that coves who contribute a certain amount to the club get to sit in the coach's box and it was Edelston's turn on Friday.
I'm not sure how Edelston can afford to make that contribution given that he settled his bankruptcy earlier this year with creditors accepting just a few cents in the dollar. However, even if Edelston was able to chip in a seven figure sum, the club should say "Thanks, but no thanks!"
Edelston's association with our club and his presence in the coach's box epitomises the stench that permeates our off field culture and high level decision making; if you've got enough cash, you can have a say in deciding what's best for Carlton, regardless of your character or expertise.
If LoGiudice has (a) balls and (b) the best interests of our club at heart, he should send Edelston packing.
They don't know if they aren't told.
All it needs is a 2 line email telling the club that we don't want to be associated with the good doctor or his money.
[email protected]. He does listen.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - flyboy77 - 05-05-2015
Been thinking about our terrible efforts and many suggest it's a Coach has lost the players issue...
Maybe the 'rift' is between players? And it spreads as people takes sides....?
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - Lods - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 02:30 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Been thinking about our terrible efforts and many suggest it's a Coach has lost the players issue...
Maybe the 'rift' is between players? And it spreads as people takes sides....?
That wouldn't surprise at all.
When things are going bad and you have a group of fringe players all trying to break into the side there will be many who think they deserve a spot ahead of others.
Now the argument against that is that they should suck it it up and get on with the job, but if you see a bloke getting a string of games and producing little while you get no opportunities it's only natural to be a little resentful.
You start to see hidden motives....Is he a coach favourite?..Are they playing him because they have to justify recruiting him?
Just as an example....
If you were Matthew Watson
You finished off 2014 with a very good game
The coach said how pleased he was that you'd finally developed a bit of self belief
Your setting yourself up for 2015 then.....
The club recruits and talks up a new recruit
He plays the first 5 games and shows very little.
With each game that goes by Watson may be starting to wonder if he's ever going to get an opportunity.
Now the easy solution would be for Watson to kick 7 or 8 goals in the VFL and demand a spot.
....but it doesn't stop individuals from feeling hard done by.
(Note:.. I'm just using Watson as an example...he may be coping quite well with the situation.)
Now imagine you're Marc Murphy
You get kicked from pillar to post each weekend with little support from your team-mates
You're savaged by supporters for your lack of leadership.
Your lack of effort is highlighted in the media.
All the while the former captain is praised all over the place for his continued effort and inspiration.
This despite the fact that your own stats including defensive and pressure stats compare pretty favourably.
Even the best of us would feel a little aggrieved and resentful
(again just an example....BTW I reckon he's carrying a chronic injury)
Inconsistency in the treatment of players is one element that can have a detrimental effect on team dynamics.
Some may be embracing Mick's philosophy and game plan, others may not be so on-board. That can lead to divisions.
In the midst of a "rebuild" some players are probably distracted with no guarantees of a position next year.
Age and interest differences can contribute to a gap in the team. That's natural and understandable but still a factor in bonding within a struggling side.
Now maybe none of that is occurring, but there seems to be an inability for the team to play four quarters as a "team".
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - cookie2 - 05-05-2015
@Lods
Hard to know what's actually going on inside the tent Lods, but from observing what actually happens in games it is obvious to me that the team is restive, disillusioned to a degree and struggling with motivation. Underneath and driving that is likely to be some sense of futility in terms of where the hell the club is headed. Just my opinion - you'd have to be an insider to really know.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - Lods - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 11:36 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@Lods
Hard to know what's actually going on inside the tent Lods, but from observing what actually happens in games it is obvious to me that the team is restive, disillusioned to a degree and struggling with motivation. Underneath and driving that is likely to be some sense of futility in terms of where the hell the club is headed. Just my opinion - you'd have to be an insider to really know.
Yep
We don't know
Player division may be the problem
It may just be one aspect.
It may not even exist (doubtful there isn't some tension at that level)
Nobody seems to want to embrace a process that would find out the answers.