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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 10-22-2020
It seems that the laptop story gained more traction here than in the USA:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-23/joe-biden-hunter-laptop-allegations-us-election-2020/12801162?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news_web
With few exceptions, the US media seems to have decided that a doctored laptop was planted and the stooge Giuliani fell for it. Perhaps he should have kept his hand inside his pants
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 10-23-2020
Helluva different debate to the 1st.
Trump was a normal human for once. He actually was a good debater. He managed to trap Biden on the ropes regarding his record in the Senate and in the Vice-Presidency. Maybe he’ll be able to persuade young black men to sit out the election or switch votes. Maybe he might have gained some votes in oil and coal country by getting Biden to say those industries are needed now but will lose out in order to have carbon neutrality by 2035. If I were awarding points on presentation, I’d give it to Trump. But he did so by lying his ar$e off and he’ll lose points in the post-debate fact-checking.
But Biden was good too. He did well enough to say he did his chances no harm, and when you’re ahead that’s not a bad thing. He was able to dominate on covid & healthcare.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 10-23-2020
By the way, this debate marked the death of the New York Post story. Trump made almost coded references to it but didn’t ask the sort of questions a lawyer would to flush out Biden’s position on what was genuine and what wasn’t. I don’t think he lacks the guts or desire to do it. I’m sure he accepted advice that focussing on this issue would alienate mainstream voters. Instead, his subtle references to the story were calibrated to resonate only with his base who are already well aware of the story. It takes its place beside stories such as the one that says Democrats are satanist paedophiles who eat the flesh of children.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - tonyo - 10-23-2020
Donald spent far too much time trying to hang labels on Biden.
When it came to policy, it was almost laughable - he trades on cliches, eg he said his new Healthcare plan to protect the 22 million on Obamacare and protect those with pre-existing conditions was going to be 'an amazing healthcare package'. He said exactly the same thing 4 years ago. This guy is a snake oil salesman who has minimal credibility as a democratic leader.
Unfortunately, Biden is no Nelson Mandela either.....
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 10-23-2020
(10-23-2020, 07:14 AM)tonyo date Wrote:Donald spent far too much time trying to hang labels on Biden.The labels probably work with a lot of the US voting public, not sure they have 4 year memories.
When it came to policy, it was almost laughable - he trades on cliches, eg he said his new Healthcare plan to protect the 22 million on Obamacare and protect those with pre-existing conditions was going to be 'an amazing healthcare package'. He said exactly the same thing 4 years ago. This guy is a snake oil salesman who has minimal credibility as a democratic leader.
Unfortunately, Biden is no Nelson Mandela either.....
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - cookie2 - 10-23-2020
(10-23-2020, 08:12 AM)LP link Wrote:The labels probably work with a lot of the US voting public, not sure they have 4 year memories.
Yep, makes sense bearing in mind also that the US electorate, from what came out from the polical quadrant test, are possibly skewed quite a bit more to the right overall than we are here. From my own limited observations I suspect there is some truth to this.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 10-25-2020
https://theconversation.com/trump-v-biden-a-duel-of-contrasting-masculinities-148300
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 10-26-2020
Looks as though Putin thinks Trump is going to lose:
[url=https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27A0TA]Putin rejects Donald Trump's criticism of Biden family business[\url], Reuters.
Quote:MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.But is he simply hedging his bets or withdrawing support from Trump entirely? If the latter, maybe all Russian interference in the election might cease. After all, Putin knows a President Biden will receive a briefing from the US intelligence agencies regarding election interference soon after assuming office (and perhaps soon after the election if those briefs are given to both the sitting President and the President Elect).
Putin was responding to comments made by Trump during televised debates with Democratic challenger Joe Biden ahead of the Nov. 3 election.
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Putin appeared less friendly towards Trump in remarks broadcast by Russian state TV on Sunday. In what may be seen by some analysts as an attempt to try to curry favour with the Biden camp, he took the time to knock down what he made clear he regarded as false allegations from Trump about the Bidens.
“Yes, in Ukraine he (Hunter Biden) had or maybe still has a business, I don’t know. It doesn’t concern us. It concerns the Americans and the Ukrainians,” said Putin.
“But well yes he had at least one company, which he practically headed up, and judging from everything he made good money. I don’t see anything criminal about this, at least we don’t know anything about this (being criminal).”
Putin also reacted with visible irritation when asked about comments Trump has made concerning Putin’s ties to the former mayor of Moscow, and to an alleged payment made to Hunter Biden by the ex-mayor’s widow. Putin said he knew nothing about the existence of any commercial relationship between Hunter and the woman. Joe Biden says the accusation about his son is not true.
Does this reduce the chances of a Russian-inspired October surprise? Might Putin release some of his Kompromat against Trump to ensure he doesn’t have to deal with a vengeful Trump for the next 4 years?
It’s so Shakespearean: Julius Caesar with a tinge of MacBeth.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 10-26-2020
(10-26-2020, 10:49 PM)Mav link Wrote:It’s so Shakespearean: Julius Caesar with a tinge of MacBeth....and a touch of Monty Python
;D
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 10-26-2020
Yes, much more fitting
