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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 01:34 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Just to quote LP from a different thread, pretending the vaccine science is settled is rather unscientific isnt it?

NOTE:  I am not going to reject my vaccine when my time is up to get it.  I dont like it, and I am free to not like it, and I am thankful that Italy and France have blocked the vaccines from arriving which is causing the delays as mentioned by DJC, BUT I am free to be skeptical about it and am going to be until its proven otherwise.

Food for thought, my brother had his first AstraZ vax on friday.  Spent the whole weekend in bed sick.  Not that there is anything to do in London currently but he has never felt so sick in his life.  THAT is cause for some concern, and he thinks he has had covid (not that they tested him, but they told him to isolate because his coughing was so bad he went to hospital with a ruptured blood vessel in his throat, and they still didnt test him likely because they needed to flip him through the system quickly and he wasnt in dire need of hospitilisation.

THAT is the sort of thing we are NOT being told publically.  Is he counted as COVID positive do you think?
If you don't get a reaction to the vaccine, it is not working. You have to get a sore arm, or a slight fever, a runny nose or something to show signs of an immune reaction, it's not a magical mystery invisible shield. It gives you a little of what it protects you from so you don't get a lot! You could tell your brother the full COVID-19 might be the same symptoms potentially wound up to the point of death!

Science is never settled, only fools think it is, and you won't find me writing that the science is settled anywhere, and scepticism is healthy as long as it is supported by suitable evidence. because new discoveries, new evidence, new knowledge changes the science.

I just think you need more than typical vaccine reactions to justify not getting vaccinated. people claim they get flu from the Influenza vaccine, well they do, that is how it works, but that flu doesn't kill them. And your reaction has to be more than a coincidence as well, there are so so many now vaccinated, and hardly an adverse reaction recorded.

If you gave 320 Million a dose of CoVID-19 instead of the COVID-19 vaccine, about 300,000 people would be dead within the first 28 days with more deaths to follow over the next few months!

Which is the whole point, that a weekend in bed is not worse than the ICU or death, well at least not for rational people! :o

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 01:11 AM)DJC link Wrote:What concerns me is the fact that we’re 75% behind the vaccination target set by Scotty from marketing - presumably on advice from health officials.
Forgive me because I cannot recall the exact numbers, but someone did the math on how many vaccinations we had to do per day to get whatever target was named for pater on the year.
We were doing less than 20% of the daily target needed to achieve the goals. No hope of achieving targets.

To get your head around what that means, after 5 days of vaccinations, we are 4 days behind. Repeat. Repeat. How do catch up from that??

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 02:12 AM)kruddler date Wrote:To get your head around what that means, after 5 days of vaccinations, we are 4 days behind. Repeat. Repeat. How do catch up from that??
It won't be linear though, the current rate depends on the vaccine availability and target priorities, we aren't in a general phase yet.

Even so, there is good reason to be concerned, it's not just a 60s process. Like any vaccine you have to remain in the treatment area for 15mins, to ensure no syncope or allergic reactions occur after you've left the vicinity of medical professionals. Any vaccine is the same.

To treat any number of people clinics will need to be setup to deal with the holding time, while nurses vaccinate at significantly high rates. I think you'll find eventually it is also in pharmacies and purpose built sites.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 01:34 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Just to quote LP from a different thread, pretending the vaccine science is settled is rather unscientific isnt it?

NOTE:  I am not going to reject my vaccine when my time is up to get it.  I dont like it, and I am free to not like it, and I am thankful that Italy and France have blocked the vaccines from arriving which is causing the delays as mentioned by DJC, BUT I am free to be skeptical about it and am going to be until its proven otherwise.

Food for thought, my brother had his first AstraZ vax on friday.  Spent the whole weekend in bed sick.  Not that there is anything to do in London currently but he has never felt so sick in his life.  THAT is cause for some concern, and he thinks he has had covid (not that they tested him, but they told him to isolate because his coughing was so bad he went to hospital with a ruptured blood vessel in his throat, and they still didnt test him likely because they needed to flip him through the system quickly and he wasnt in dire need of hospitilisation.

THAT is the sort of thing we are NOT being told publically.  Is he counted as COVID positive do you think?

Nothing wrong with being sceptical Thry.  I think it’s a very sensible and healthy approach to take!

It would be interesting to know if your brother’s symptoms are causal or coincidental, as you mentioned in an earlier post.  I wonder if his reaction will be incorporated into the ongoing studies.

I hope he is feeling better soon.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 03-11-2021

[member=153]LP[/member]

I'm an overseas  forum participant with many hundreds of English members.  Covid is naturally on everyone's mind.  Every last one of them had some reaction, ranging from really sore arm to lethargy to a day or two in bed.  I wouldn't have expected any less

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 02:27 AM)capcom date Wrote:[member=153]LP[/member]

I'm an overseas  forum participant with many hundreds of English members.  Covid is naturally on everyone's mind.  Every last one of them had some reaction, ranging from really sore arm to lethargy to a day or two in bed.  I wouldn't have expected any less
And that is the way it has to be for a vaccine to work!

PS: [member=105]Thryleon[/member] asked why they haven't tested his brother for COVID-19, of course just after vaccination, when you start to get an immune reaction you'll have antibodies and of course you'll test positive. So the test is somewhat pointless, they've already given you a light dose, without a count of the viral load which is really only done to those in quarantine or hospital for a confirmed COVID-19 infection they couldn't tell if it was the vaccine or if you coincidentally already had COVID-19.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 03-11-2021

I have had the flu shot every year since 2002 and have never got sick.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 02:34 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:I have had the flu shot every year since 2002 and have never got sick.
Millions are in the same boat, as are millions of COVID-19 vaccinated, but some do suffer, some will just get a sore spot at the site or a runny nose and think nothing of it. It won't even be enough to associate the symptoms with the vaccine.

We had one of the office staff faint last year getting the flu shot, they'd had it before manty times but this time they developed syncope. Ironically the doctor on that day thought it was all the stress related to reading about COVID and COVID vaccinations. The power of mind over body? :o

PS: We should not ignore EU politics and bureaucracy in all this vaccine argy-bargy, there is blame to shift, smoke-screens to set and compensation dollars to be won! For every little bit of doubt sown about one vaccine, a dozen alternate suppliers step forward!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 02:34 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:I have had the flu shot every year since 2002 and have never got sick.
I've had it once and got sick once. I'll take my chances

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 03-11-2021

(03-11-2021, 02:34 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:I have had the flu shot every year since 2002 and have never got sick.
I have been crook EVERY time I've had it, some worse than others. My wife also has pretty bad reactions.