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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 02-22-2021

https://theconversation.com/i-was-the-australian-doctor-on-the-whos-covid-19-mission-to-china-heres-what-we-found-about-the-origins-of-the-coronavirus-155554

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-22-2021

(02-22-2021, 09:59 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://theconversation.com/i-was-the-australian-doctor-on-the-whos-covid-19-mission-to-china-heres-what-we-found-about-the-origins-of-the-coronavirus-155554
You can only find whats presented to you, the Chinese had ample time to clean up any evidence they created IMHO and you look at missing doctors, wuhan lab staff being reported as ill with CoVid symptoms and I think the jury is still out on the origins of CoVid19. 


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 02-22-2021

(02-22-2021, 10:18 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:You can only find whats presented to you, the Chinese had ample time to clean up any evidence they created IMHO and you look at missing doctors, wuhan lab staff being reported as ill with CoVid symptoms and I think the jury is still out on the origins of CoVid19. 

Well, if it really was Made In China, then it should be of low quality and stop working as advertised after a week lol. And here we are, 12 months later..............

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-22-2021

(02-22-2021, 10:23 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Well, if it really was Made In China, then it should be of low quality and stop working as advertised after a week lol. And here we are, 12 months later..............
Paul, I'll pay that  ?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 02-22-2021

(02-22-2021, 09:51 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:When you immunise the herd you expect to lose a few along the way, I think Thry is only trying to point out you need to spend some time reducing how many " few" are lost and its an individual choice and those who choose not to be vaccinated or delay vaccination should not be ostracized or seen as jeopardizing the herd.

Pretty much.  I'm a bit more understanding of the trepidation people may have.

Most of the ones worried have a story to go with that, and usually its tied to good intentions with bad outcomes.

Combine a pandemic, with a general mistrust of the merit of our response and management of said response, add a dose of skepticism to this particular vaccine, and the anti vaccination crowd is actually much larger portion of the population than usual this time.

I fully expect that uncomfortable outcomes from this vaccination to be buried and explained away too which is why when they say the vaccine is perfectly safe people will take that with a grain of salt.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 02-22-2021

(02-22-2021, 10:34 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Paul, I'll pay that  ?

Thanks EB. We shouldn't be too hard on the Chinese. In terms of manufacturing quality, they make things to the quality required by the person / entity commissioning the goods. They can make things as good as anyone. They just seem to be where everybody goes to make junk.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 02-22-2021

They can't make a car to save themselves though Paul Smile

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 02-22-2021

Interesting article outlining China’s very effective response to US claims about the “China Virus”:

Quote:Meanwhile, powerful voices in the US – from former President Trump to congressional Republicans – were working to rebrand COVID-19 as “the China virus,” amplifying fringe theories that it had been engineered by Chinese scientists.

Social media accounts that appeared to be pro-Trump or QAnon followers pushed the disinformation, repeatedly retweeting identical content that claimed China created the virus as a bioweapon, researchers at the Australia Institute’s Centre for Responsible Technology found.

As US rhetoric intensified, China went on the offensive. On February 22, People’s Daily ran a report highlighting speculation that the US military brought the virus to China, pushing the story globally through inserts in newspapers such as the Helsinki Times in Finland and the New Zealand Herald.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/anatomy-of-a-conspiracy-with-covid-china-took-leading-role-20210215-p572ow.html

Their cars might be rubbish but they’re up there with Russia when it comes to manipulating social and mainstream media.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 02-23-2021

On this point, though, they were fighting fire with fire. Good on them for fighting back against disinformation with disinformation.

No doubt a very good case can be mounted that China should have done more to lockdown the early outbreak and should have done more to warn the international community. But Trump showed that cover-ups and minimising the risks wasn’t just part of his own playbook - it was his whole playbook. How the US could cry foul is beyond me, particularly as Trump had pulled out the US epidemiologist who was embedded in the Chinese pandemic response team just prior to the outbreak.

Does that mean other countries like Australia don’t have a right to complain? No, but: Superpower! Now, China matches the US for power and exceptionalism. What do we want to achieve by holding the Chinese to account? They’re not going to pay reparations or allow an international team to come into China to surveil their future pandemic responses. If we want the latter, we’ll need to win a war against them and then impose inspections à la Iraq. Hell, we can’t even expect an apology.

But returning to my first point, labelling Covid by its country of origin has been actively discouraged by epidemiologists. Doing so plays into the hands of racists and increases attacks on Asians. Anyone seen the video of the elderly Thai-American who was crash-tackled while walking on a footpath with such force he died? Or a picture of another Asian-American who has a large scar from 1 side of his face to the other after being slashed with a box-cutter? Hopefully, we have less to fear as we don’t have Trump’s terrorist army to deal with but the risk remains.

That just deals with the coronavirus. Of course, China has chosen to bully Australia and that naturally inspires anger. The blame for that is squarely China’s.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 02-23-2021

I see Craig Kelly has bug out of the Coalition to the crossbench, he thinks he is Australia's Donald! ;D

You'll see a heap of this prior to the next election, wannabes who think they can be king off the back of radicals, it will be interesting to see how they survive in a compulsory voting system. Voter fragmentation will ultimately become an issue, so you find more and more cooperation between the main parties.

Personally, we need to make them responsible for their rhetoric, and send a few to the wall for the trouble they cause. But, I can see it happening as politicians are too sensitive to changes that might come back to bite them!