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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 04-25-2023
(04-25-2023, 08:41 AM)bratblue link Wrote:Stats can be read either way Paul.......
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - bratblue - 04-25-2023
(04-25-2023, 08:46 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
I was being mischevious mate.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 04-25-2023
(04-25-2023, 10:00 AM)bratblue link Wrote:I was being mischevious mate.
Oh right.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - pew2 - 04-25-2023
How many years have I been saying we are to slow and yet we recruit slow players ( sos really Stuffed up ) not just saints think about all years where sides just blown us away . Now u 12 game plan and our strategy from Full back worst in competition 2022 proves that yet Voss and co change nothing for 23 season . Please sick of Coleman medalists and saad , Doc missing Need to fix our game plan and hopefully Austin can nail some recruits because sos failed in my eyes
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 04-25-2023
(04-25-2023, 04:12 AM)Lods link Wrote:I actually thought we came prepared. The plan seemed sound given we were without Saad and Docherty. It was always going to be on the mids and forwards and the lack of connection between those two groups was the main problem. Part of the issue is we have two stand-out forwards aided by some rather mediocre performing assistants.Ill admit we were better prepared v the Saints and played better than the Adelaide game but we couldn't adjust in game (as we did the first the first three rounds) and our ball use was deplorable. I'm torn, I feel like we are playing worse than what we are and yet I can't see us lifting and playing better. The next 7 weeks will reveal all, it will tell us where we are really at and who has gone past us. So far, Ross and his StK boys have gone passed us giving us wind burn on the way through. The Cheats with Scott at the helm look far more stable and better coached at the minute. The Cats are knocking on the door of the 8 and with a string of home games, coupled with our difficult ones coming up will knock us out for sure.
Our small forwards are ineffective and our mids aren't impacting the scoreboard.
We came with the right attitude but were let down to often by poor decisions and disposal. The criticism in my eyes was more about our ability to react and nullify once the midfield advantage was lost after half-time, and yes I guess that is on Voss. Yep, the cross ground kicking is often frustrating. It's often used when there is really no advantage to it.
Voss apparently had a few personal issues during the lead-up to the game which kept him a way from the club for a day or two. It can't be used as an excuse but it may have had some effect on his focus.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 04-25-2023
(04-25-2023, 02:28 AM)Macca37 link Wrote:I don't understand the fixation with statistics. If they are an accurate reflection of the game then we should have won.Macca stats aren't the be all and end all for me but they do tell a bit of a story. We beat the Saints in almost every stat yet lost by 4 goals (or near enough to that). What does that the reveal? We got enough of the footy but were horrible with it at critical junctures of the game. There is enough there for Voss to say in his presser that he was happy with some aspects but...
Football statistics don't show whether a disposal by hand or foot was effective or whether it caused a turnover resulting in a goal; whether the ball was kicked sideways or backwards to no effect; whether a ruck tap was to our advantage etc, etc.
Until there is ever a meaningful breakdown of the statistics I regard them as being covered by the saying "lies, damn lies and statistics".
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-25-2023
(04-25-2023, 10:35 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Macca stats aren't the be all and end all for me but they do tell a bit of a story. We beat the Saints in almost every stat yet lost by 4 goals (or near enough to that). What does that the reveal? We got enough of the footy but were horrible with it at critical junctures of the game. There is enough there for Voss to say in his presser that he was happy with some aspects but...His presser was him living in denial a bit, the work in progress stuff is for teams like Nth, Hawks etc who are freshly rebuilding.
We should be the finished article all tooled up to do battle and winning the close ones because our experienced players
are leading the charge and we have the depth to over come injuries like Collingwood do.
There are no excuses anymore just poorly performing players and coaches depending on the day and the opposition.
Its been 8 years of rebuilding and its time to deliver or as a great man once said..." get off the pot"....
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - LoveNavy - 04-25-2023
Can't argue with any of that EB.
While I don’t think it's gloom and doom just yet. I also don't think we have the all the right pieces in place.
We've seen our defence, midfield, and running back depth come up short in the past 12 months. Persistent injuries, underperforming (high picks, big bucks) or unsuitable recruitment, and slow or inadequate player development are likely contribtors.
This years recruits look good but we've got some making up to do. Nail a couple more selective additions providing speed, good disposal, and durability, and top 8 should be sustainable. I won't talk flags ?
I'm really hopeful we'll stabilise and improve on the back of some key returns and good post-bye form. We are screaming out for stability across lines. When we have that our connection improves and system holds up better. That's not to say we're improving at the rate of others, but we should be holding our own and chalking up the W's to stay in touch. At least that's how I see it.
Go Blues
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Baggers - 04-25-2023
(04-25-2023, 06:52 AM)laj link Wrote:Yes. It was actually only 15 min that beat us, generally due to our crap. Without that we may have been on top of the ladder. On the bright side we have alot more improvement in us than St.Kilda. Hopefully it comes to fruition, the hard part.
So true. It was, again, a lapse of around 15 mins as you say, that cost us (along with poor execution at times). We do it just about every game. From memory about the only game, win or lose, where there was no lapse was the D1ckers game last year... our only 4 qtr game I can recall.
And absolutely true that we have considerable improvement in us, if not... God help us!
Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - cookie2 - 04-25-2023
Mistakes, injuries, lapses, skill errors, poor I50 entry, poor I50 pressure, vital goals missed. Our story for a long time now and no indication imo that we are really overcoming these issues. We have systemic problems.