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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 05:42 AM)BluePhantom link Wrote:How many Line in the Sand moments does this club want or need?
We have at least 3 or 4 a year where the players, the club, could say enough is enough.
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I agree. It's not the issue in my view. If we have spent 20 years turning over hundreds of players, all of whom need a rev up every 5 minutes, then we don't belong in a professional sporting competition.
But as I say, I don't believe it's the issue(s).
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 05:42 AM)BluePhantom link Wrote:How may Line in the Sand moments does this club want or need?Its like Bondi beach in terms of line in the sand games with us and its usually ends up with the admin burying the coach in the sand. Feck Everyone, We are Carlton might have been a good catch cry in the Elliott era but now we are just a also ran club with nothing to be proud of for the last 20 years except the supporter base who have stuck fat.
We have at least 3 or 4 a year where the players, the club, could say enough is enough.
But.... crickets, because as someone said before we are NICE.
What ever happened to Fudge everyone, We are Carlton?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 05:42 AM)BluePhantom link Wrote:How may Line in the Sand moments does this club want or need?
We have at least 3 or 4 a year where the players, the club, could say enough is enough.
But.... crickets, because as someone said before we are NICE.
What ever happened to Fudge everyone, We are Carlton?
We have a to have a serious one at some stage otherwise we just sit around forever disappointed. This one is on the players and playing culture. Question is when will be have a real one, not a pretend one. Club could say enough is enough all day, has to come from the playing group.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - 31Tommys_barber - 04-20-2021
Sadly we were better last year when the older players were still a little competitive. This year with a faster longer game our older players show they have played a year too many and are under pressure when disposing the ball.
Missing our 50 game players coming through and taking over too many draft misses even blokes like Kemp who I don’t have a clue what he even looks like. No quick fix with this current team skills wise but I played with blokes who smoked, trained half heartedly twice a week, drank on Friday nights but won premierships because they could hit a target 20 feet away and kick it through the goals! Today’s players train 5 night a week from the age of ten and still can’t kick it accurately over 20 feet or handball anywhere but to a teammates feet ?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 08:14 AM)laj link Wrote:We have a to have a serious one at some stage otherwise we just sit around forever disappointed. This one is on the players and playing culture. Question is when will be have a real one, not a pretend one. Club could say enough is enough all day, has to come from the playing group.Heard that how many times over the last 20 years? All we do is sack coaches, it will happen again, nothing surer. And I don't agree its on the players. Cultures are set at the top and filtered down. Everyone has to buy in and live it. Any apparent poor culture of the playing is reflective of the President, Board, CEO, Football Manager, etc etc.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 08:49 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Heard that how many times over the last 20 years? All we do is sack coaches, it will happen again, nothing surer. And I don't agree its on the players. Cultures are set at the top and filtered down. Everyone has to buy in and live it. Any apparent poor culture of the playing is reflective of the President, Board, CEO, Football Manager, etc etc.
This one is on the players. Motivation comes from within and ours can't stay motivated for more than a couple of weeks at a time. Club is run pretty well right now. What is needed is real peer pressure to perform. They have to put it on each other. Right now we turn up but don't work. Almost nothing surer we'll win the next couple, even though it's Brisbane, after coping the biggest baking and home truths we've received in years. What happens after that, who knows.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 10:35 AM)laj link Wrote:This one is on the players. Motivation comes from within and ours can't stay motivated for more than a couple of weeks at a time. Club is run pretty well right now. What is needed is real peer pressure to perform. They have to put it on each other. Right now we turn up but don't work. Almost nothing surer we'll win the next couple, even though it's Brisbane, after coping the biggest baking and home truths we've received in years. What happens after that, who knows.A few contradictions there Jim, we turn up but dont work yet we will win the next few? Dont get that logic.
Ill say it again, culture is set from the top down not the bottom up. It's not about motivation, its all about culture, creating and maintaining a ruthless winning one. When CEO, presidents and coaches give the players an out when they speak to the media, that's not a ruthless culture and sets the wrong example for the players. So is our culture bad? I'd guess the answer is not totally. But is it a ruthless winning one? Most definitely not.
There also doesn't seem to be any non negotiables, and with that consequences, at our club. If there were, we would not trot out the same roller coaster performances year after year.
Then there are skill/execution problems. Ill say this again also, for how many years have we been seeing the same poor skills with disposal and goal kicking? Lots. And we seem to do nothing to address the specific problems (ie bring in specialists to fix the specific issues). If you ask me are out players motivated, I'd say they are as motivated as any player in the comp. Are they well trained and conditioned? I'd say not as well as they could or should be.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-20-2021
It's quite possible that Teague's mother-in-law issues affected not just the coach, but the players as well, which may partly explain why they were off against Port.
I do love the change of narrative though. Under Bolton, the coach was the source of all evil. Now, according to the great Mark Maclure, it's got nothing to do with Teague, it's all on the players. Nice. It warms my heart to see goalposts can be moved so easily. I too, may one day get to experience the unbridled pleasure that comes from such a manoeuvre.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Baggers - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 05:50 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I agree. It's not the issue in my view. If we have spent 20 years turning over hundreds of players, all of whom need a rev up every 5 minutes, then we don't belong in a professional sporting competition.
Culture.
And who is responsible for building, improving and maintaining culture?
As just one example, look at the Fluffy Ducks. What they stand for; their culture is unmistakable. Newbies come in and lift to the standards expected. In some respects, the very antithesis of us.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-20-2021
The one constant in all of this is the way our players are so poorly prepared and drilled, for want of a better term. Suggests that we don't have anywhere near a capable and effective enough system in place to do this. We desperately need to fix it and improve our recruiting if we are ever to get out of the doldrums. The Swans for one seem pretty good in this area.