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Re: General Discussions - DJC - 03-04-2021
(03-04-2021, 12:09 AM)LP link Wrote:I'd be cautious, it looks to me like the media have mashed together a series of rumours, but all built form the same basic premise but distorted in a pass the message manner. The tell for me is that the reports in the main stream media seem to contradict.
The Four Corners report is based on the observations of folk who worked and/or were associated with Porter and on things he wrote or said and are on public record. Rumours aren't part of the Four Corners narrative. We know Turnbull warned Porter about his inappropriate behaviour with young women and Turnbull must have know that it was Porter when he called on the then unnamed Minister to own up and explain his relationship with the victim.
Re: General Discussions - DJC - 03-04-2021
(03-04-2021, 03:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree, watching Porter is uncomfortable and I just kept thinking of that poor girl/woman and her sad passing and what her family are going through with all this rehash of events. The age factor bothers me ....
ScoMo has a few issues on his plate with his bonehead minister Linda Reynolds making some offensive comments that have come to light about the parliment staffer who also claims to have been raped.The Minister should resign IMO based on her comments..disgraceful, I wouldnt want my children working in any parliamentary dept based on her attitude.
I dont have a lot of confidence the truth will come out in any of the above and I just expected better in this day and age...
It is a toxic workplace EB. The behaviour and attitudes of those at the top of the foodchain do little to inspire respect and common decency among run of the mill MPs and the staffers.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 03-04-2021
https://theconversation.com/can-scott-morrisons-rhetorical-style-cut-through-the-rising-tide-of-anger-156220
Re: General Discussions - Baggers - 03-04-2021
So Dutton chimes in with the comment, on Porter's media appearance, "...a good performance..." :o
One of the most incisive and pertinent comments I read a few posts back was from David (DJC), referring to the fact that a court case can go ahead for murder but not a deceased alleged rape victim, or words to that effect. So many in our world have absolutely no comprehension as to the on-going, dreadful impact of rape on a any human being.
Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 03-04-2021
(03-04-2021, 03:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Agree, watching Porter is uncomfortable and I just kept thinking of that poor girl/woman and her sad passing and what her family are going through with all this rehash of events. The age factor bothers me ....This scandal will bring Scomo down, you watch.
ScoMo has a few issues on his plate with his bonehead minister Linda Reynolds making some offensive comments that have come to light about the parliment staffer who also claims to have been raped.The Minister should resign IMO based on her comments..disgraceful, I wouldnt want my children working in any parliamentary dept based on her attitude.
I dont have a lot of confidence the truth will come out in any of the above and I just expected better in this day and age...
Re: General Discussions - capcom - 03-04-2021
We'll hear more, that's for certain.
I still hate our Federal Government centralized in CBR. Drag 'em out and force them to live among real people.
Re: General Discussions - Lods - 03-04-2021
There are no winners here.
The problem is that the vast majority of assault allegations are probably true.
What reason would you put yourself through the associated trauma of investigation and trial if they weren't true
Two reasons only....in an unstable mind you believe the assault did occur or revenge/vindictiveness.
The woman involved has taken her own life...apparently shortly after she said she didn't want to proceed with the allegation, so you would have to think that this episode had a profound effect on her subsequent actions.
On the other hand if you're innocent of such an allegation, your life and career are virtually over.
Imagine the feeling you would have if you were accused of something like that and it hadn't occurred.
In the court of public opinion you're already tried and convicted.
Porter's position is untenable.
He's a marked man...investigation or not.
Mentally he's shot and he has no future.
Folks have already made up their minds.
For Morrison he's damaged by his inaction... but what would an independent investigation establish?
There are two people who know what happened some thirty years ago.
One is dead, the other vehemently denies the events occurred....everything else is second hand.
Folks making judgements based on body language or past perceptions should carry little weight because these could well be based on personal bias or negative interactions with the individual.
In the end such an enquiry may make a determination of likely guilt...the decision would probably be based on a much looser form of evidence than a criminal trial.
But having already determined there is no case would the police look at further action...doubtful!
Bottom line is that a woman has taken her life, Porter (guilty or not) is forever marked, Morrison is left damaged....you can only imagine at the distress of the poor woman's family.
The thing that concerns me is that we're left with this dilemma.
We have to have a system that allows victims of sexual assault to feel comfortable in coming forward with their allegations...and have an expectation of receiving a fair hearing and justice.
On the other hand we're heading towards a situation where an allegation alone is enough to destroy a career, mental health and in some cases a life.
I don't know how you manage that.
No winners.
Re: General Discussions - capcom - 03-04-2021
Perfect summary Lods. No way out of this for anyone
Re: General Discussions - DJC - 03-04-2021
I think we should be careful about assumptions of the victim's cause of death. The SA Coroner has ordered the police to conduct further enquiries under the guidance of Counsel assisting the Coroner. The Coroner has also indicated that an inquest may be held into her death. If that does happen, it could effectively become an inquiry into Porter's role in the matter.
Re: General Discussions - Micky0 - 03-04-2021
I thought Toby Abbott was the worst PM we could ever have thrown at us, but Scumo continues to show his utter inability to be a good leader, heck, a good person.
Reynolds, Dutton, Tudge, Porter - awful people.
It’s sad that Australian Federal Politics has become so crap - hopefully big big changes are coming. It is time for this collective bag if shit to be dumped.
Re the allegation, can’t imagine why anyone would make something up 30+ years ago and never really do anything about it, except be tortured by it over 3 decades, personally. Why would someone do that? The 4 corners report included a barrister that is in the same work circles as myself and I have it on very good authority she had absolutely zero to gain in coming forward to tell what she knew of Porter and his disregard for women.