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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 03-18-2020

(03-18-2020, 02:39 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:I can't recall his exact wording but he used strong language, I'm pretty sure he said don't believe the stuff you read online about lockdowns as it's rubbish and that they haven't spoke about lockdowns. It was towards the end of the conference and after crapping on about the schools not needing to close because Singapore didn't close theirs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=vousU56PVws

Ahaa, yes right at the end, he said dont listen to crap online, listen to OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT ADVICE. I thought he was excellent and so was Brendan Murphy. I cant find part 2, Brendan Murphy spoke and addressed questions.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 03-18-2020

I think there's a fine line between panicking and being proactive / preventive, and it's a hard one to get right sometimes. Neither he nor any government official has ruled out lockdown. However, I think LP's statement that his leadership / management style (i.e do nothing and then you can't be accused of making a bad decision), is innately correct. Sometimes, today's "wait and see" is tomorrow's pandemic.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2020

This is doing the rounds, it's being posted in relation to Boris but it's relevant.

https://youtu.be/HSD1d-6P6qI?t=11

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2020

In terms of "Scotty from Marketing" leaving the match day call up to the AFL, and other peak sporting bodies.

I admit I'm cynical, as you might assume from me posting the above video, but I'd suggest there is a fair bit of risk assessment for avoiding any potential liability going on built directly into his decision making chain.

The politicians really are pussy whipped, politically correct and piss-weak on so many issues. A virus doesn't care if your Chinese, India, African or Euro trash, being male, female or any of an unlimited by LGBTIAO won't help you either. Anarchists, Agnostics and Religious Fundamentalists will fall at equal rates alongside the very poor and the very wealthy.

But importantly whatever we do we must not offend anyone, and be sure to pray!

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I'm afraid this situation needed more of Malcom Tucker(The Thick of It) and far less Sir Humphrey Appleby(Yes Minister)

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 03-18-2020

https://www.theage.com.au/national/how-are-countries-flattening-the-curve-of-coronavirus-20200317-p54b3g.html

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 03-18-2020

https://soperth.com.au/joe-rogan-michael-osterholm-if-theres-one-video-you-watch-about-coronavirus-37422



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 03-18-2020

I heard the only logically sounding argument as to why schools should stay OPEN.

If they close, who has to look after them?
1. Parents
2. Grandparents

Now if it is grandparents, they are in the high risk category. It could increase the number of deaths seen as a result.
Now if it is parents, that supposedly means that 30% of the healthcare system has to stay home (Nurses doctors etc) to look after those kids. The system is already bulging and limiting the resources could break it. Less staff means longer waits and potentially more deaths.

So in short, teachers and kids are 'taking one for the team' it appears.

For the record, kids DO catch the virus and will spread it despite early reports suggesting otherwise.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-18-2020

(03-18-2020, 08:52 PM)kruddler date Wrote:So in short, teachers and kids are 'taking one for the team' it appears.

For the record, kids DO catch the virus and will spread it despite early reports suggesting otherwise.
There have never been official reports saying kids don't get it, so it's a good idea not to slag off the officials with media innuendo, you know how to discuss this appropriately and debug that rubbish. It's like the media repeating the rubbish about NSAIDs and COVID-19, disgraceful media behaviour based on an outright fear-mongering lie that was a distortion of a simple warning that "for all people NSAIDSs carry more risk than paracetamol" having COVID-19 makes little difference.

Even worse is the media loosely associating the number of cases with the number of deaths, as each week passes the death rate reduces approaching that of Influenza.

If you want to be critical, think about this. Some experts are shouting from the rooftops that 14 million people in Australia will get COVID-19, but Wuhan where this all started has more people than all of Australia and is a fraction of the size, Wuhan's metro population of 19 million is the equivalent of packing every Australian into just 1/4 of Tasmania. Yet based on the current trajectories Wuhan won't get anywhere near 14 million cases.

Of course we know that kids get COVID-19 too, but they might show little or no symptoms as do many adults who get nothing more than a mild cold or sore throat. Primarily it seems if you have been lucky enough to get the right type of Flu, Cold or Immunisation previously, you could already have partial immunity to COVID-19. Subjectively, the elderly and some First Nation type societies are at greater risk, but the data is immature as the investigation is still under way.

Already there is a strong association appearing to smokers and COVID-19 susceptibility, it may be no accident that elderly Chinese and Italians who live in high density housing and are frequently life long chain smokers might be coping the brunt of this virus. People who already have reduced lung capacity and lose more of what they have left when they get COVID-19. Another one for the tobacco industry to take credit for!

Give up the smokes, everyday you clock up smoke free might make the difference!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 03-18-2020

(03-18-2020, 09:16 PM)LP link Wrote:.......................
Give up the smokes, everyday you clock up smoke free might make the difference!

And the donuts. That link posted by MBB (good stuff matey), states that different countries have different risk factors. In China, old blokes smoke a lot, and in the US (and by extension Australia) obesity is a major risk factor.

I'm still only part way through watching that video.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 03-18-2020

(03-18-2020, 08:52 PM)kruddler link Wrote:I heard the only logically sounding argument as to why schools should stay OPEN.

If they close, who has to look after them?
1. Parents
2. Grandparents

Now if it is grandparents, they are in the high risk category. It could increase the number of deaths seen as a result.
Now if it is parents, that supposedly means that 30% of the healthcare system has to stay home (Nurses doctors etc) to look after those kids. The system is already bulging and limiting the resources could break it. Less staff means longer waits and potentially more deaths.

So in short, teachers and kids are 'taking one for the team' it appears.

For the record, kids DO catch the virus and will spread it despite early reports suggesting otherwise.
Watch the video in MBB's link