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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 02-17-2021

(02-17-2021, 05:31 AM)kruddler date Wrote:Now, i've never partook, but my understanding is following that density quotient kinda defeats the purpose. lol
Speak for yourself! Wink

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 02-17-2021

Anyone else find it odd that the highly infectious virus travels through the air infecting people, somehow gets out into the community only infecting a half a dozen people, even going to somewhere like vic market?


As soon as they said Brunetti at terminal 4 I thought we'd see a good 10 people compromised including a couple interstate travellers 

Thats what I expected from a super infectious virus anyway.  Maybe I watch too many movies.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 02-17-2021

(02-17-2021, 10:50 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Anyone else find it odd that the highly infectious virus travels through the air infecting people, somehow gets out into the community only infecting a half a dozen people, even going to somewhere like vic market?
Thry, you claimed the same about the quarantine workers friends and family just days before they started testing positive, and now you are back on the same train hours after lockdown, ................. it's like Groundhog Day!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 02-18-2021

(02-17-2021, 10:50 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Anyone else find it odd that the highly infectious virus travels through the air infecting people, somehow gets out into the community only infecting a half a dozen people, even going to somewhere like vic market?


As soon as they said Brunetti at terminal 4 I thought we'd see a good 10 people compromised including a couple interstate travellers 

Thats what I expected from a super infectious virus anyway.  Maybe I watch too many movies.

I find it hard to believe the hotel security guard from the tennis quarantine didn't infect anybody.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 02-18-2021

(02-18-2021, 12:57 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:I find it hard to believe the hotel security guard from the tennis quarantine didn't infect anybody.
How does someone get an infection or avoid getting an infection?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 02-19-2021

Interesting to hear that syringe shortages will ultimately waste vaccine, stuff like this was predicted long ago yet nothing was done about it, it's typical of Federal Bureaucracy. I suppose the Feds will claim it was the States responsibility to supply syringes!

Much of the current delay in getting vaccine is down to the already discussed shortage of suitable glass vials, I'm, not sure where the efforts got in producing a glass or ceramic lined plastic version, but in terms of production it's still the major limiting factor. The two companies with the sand monopoly are making a killing, in more ways than one!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 02-19-2021

(02-19-2021, 01:08 AM)LP link Wrote:Interesting to hear that syringe shortages will ultimately waste vaccine, stuff like this was predicted long ago yet nothing was done about it, it's typical of Federal Bureaucracy. I suppose the Feds will claim it was the States responsibility to supply syringes!

Much of the current delay in getting vaccine is down to the already discussed shortage of suitable glass vials, I'm, not sure where the efforts got in producing a glass or ceramic lined plastic version, but in terms of production it's still the major limiting factor. The two companies with the sand monopoly are making a killing, in more ways than one!
The government is spending $800M on a new facility that is modern and pandemic ready, was in planning well before Covid hit.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 02-19-2021

(02-19-2021, 01:51 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:The government is spending $800M on a new facility that is modern and pandemic ready, was in planning well before Covid hit.
Lots of these things are planned but they struggle to get off the ground or complete due to bureaucracy.

We already know researchers were working of SARS coronavirus vaccines back in 2003 - 2005, but it got dropped due to cuts in funding after the previous SARS outbreak subsided. But people would be shocked to realise Drew Weissman and others had been working on mRNA vaccines including one for corona virus since 1997, and nobody took him seriously until Feb 2020.

Not only that, his group and others have mRNA vaccines set for trial for things like Malaria, Japanese Encephalitis, some cancers, Ebola, AIDS, Dengue, etc., etc. but he couldn't get traction. For a couple of reasons, first what they do with Pfizer and Moderna is different from conventional stuff like AstraZeneca so there was fear of change, the old people protecting there old ways. Secondly because the new methods need investment in new factories there is a reluctance to spend when they already have an investment, the old people protecting their old investment. It's a huge problem that comes primarily out of privatising everything.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 02-19-2021

(02-19-2021, 02:34 AM)LP link Wrote:Lots of these things are planned but they struggle to get off the ground or complete due to bureaucracy.
What are you talking about LP? The facility is being designed as we speak, I'm working on the project!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 02-19-2021

(02-19-2021, 02:56 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:What are you talking about LP? The facility is being designed as we speak, I'm working on the project!!
I'm discussing how the lack of foresight impacts us all, a general incompetence.

FFS, we discussed some of these very resource issues here on this forum, we aren't omnipotent!

How can it be that a bureaucracy full to the brim of career planners and project managers can purchase more vaccine than they can use before it expires, because they haven't purchased enough syringes to dispense it?

It's not Dan or Scomo's issue, the bureaucrats are welded in place!

When that facility is built and running, then it will be time to crow about forward planning, if it can't be used to make mRNA vaccines it is probably mostly redundant before it even starts!

I read a report last weekend that Thailand which thinks of itself as a 3rd world economy, predicted it would be down the vaccine pecking order and started building it's own mRNA vaccine production facility back in Feb 2020. That is apparently due to open around about now and has enough capacity to supply us as well, so the whispers are we'll just buy the stuff from Thailand, detect a trend?