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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 08:15 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Given my disillusionment with state and fed politics here, I don't follow US politics at all (other than the rubbish images splattered over the news services every night). I don't even follow US sport as I find it abhorrently stupid and boring. So correct me if I am wrong, but is the general consensus essentially that there are two candidates running for President of the US that basically you wouldn't feed?
Let's put it this way. Compared to Trump and Biden... Morrison and Albanese are Lincoln and Kennedy.. No-one should complain about the standard of our politicians compared to the US.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - capcom - 10-13-2020
Don't think so GTC. It's a battle on disparate ideological grounds running far deeper than the two personalities. The parties genuinely despise each other, far more so than in any other election period I can recall. One of them will end up presiding over a very fractured society.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 08:49 PM)capcom link Wrote:Don't think so GTC. It's a battle on disparate ideological grounds running far deeper than the two personalities.............................
Most scholarship I've read and seen positions them as two adjoining shades of grey in a paint catalogue. There's just enough difference to notice a difference, but the overall chromatic values are basically the same. Sounds a little like Red Peril fear mongering to me.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 09:25 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Most scholarship I've read and seen positions them as two adjoining shades of grey in a paint catalogue. There's just enough difference to notice a difference, but the overall chromatic values are basically the same. Sounds a little like Red Peril fear mongering to me.
That’s my understanding too Paul; there’s an awful lot of common ground in the middle and elected representatives often vote across party lines. Of course, the emergence of the Tea Party this century has created a more extreme far right element in the Republican movement.
However, there is an element of long-standing animosity and reference to mid-19th century policies and actions is part of the political discourse.
Just to illustrate the point about blurred party lines, I understand that there is a “Republicans for Biden” group. Of course, an anti-Trump movement within the Republican Party has been in existence since he put his hand up.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 08:41 PM)Lods link Wrote:Let's put it this way. Compared to Trump and Biden... Morrison and Albanese are Lincoln and Kennedy.. No-one should complain about the standard of our politicians compared to the US.
Better than crap can still be crap is all ill say.
To make my point hit home.
Darcy Lang was better for us than Billie Smedts was.
I still dont want another player from Geelong. They have given us nothing but grief since Hickmott.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - flyboy77 - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 08:39 AM)Mav link Wrote:If she’s further left than Bernie ... Good Heavens ... that would mean she’s like Paul Keating or Bob Hawke! How appalling!
Next thing you know, she’ll bring in a single payer system like Medicare as those Commos did (with a hat tip to Gough’s Medibank).
Good to see you haven't changed your spots.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 10-13-2020
There may be that closeness in certain sections of both parties at the political level...
What needs to be factored in is that the Trump years have changed the dynamics in many respects.
Trump is almost a third party in his own right and has captured a lot of the hearts and minds of many sections of the Republican party and maybe even some who would normally vote Democrat.
He's an entity that bears the title Republican but is actually alien to many sections of that party.
That's where the fraction occurs.
And that's the problem for any post -Trump 'healer.'
There is a real hatred and divide.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 10-13-2020
I think their differences are mainly in the commercial / corporate world, not so much the social world although Trump is clearly more narcissistic.
Which doesn't mean Biden isn't narcissistic, before the Trump boosters go on the attack!
However, in terms of enforcing some corporate and commercial social responsibilities they are clearly different. Trump is fundamentally happy to allow the commercial world to burn society in an attempt to make a profit as long as they make a profit, if they don't succeed he'll throw them to the wolves retrospectively claiming they were irresponsible, but that is long after the social and natural damage is done! For those that succeed, Trump will of course claim to be the primary cause/trigger!
Biden isn't prepared to allow the corporate greed to burn society in the attempt to make a profit, he is much keener on a slower more responsible approach to capitalism, it's a key difference!
Of course that makes Biden enemy No.1 amongst the megalomaniacs and corporate psychopaths, they want to make hay before there is no longer sunlight to make it by!
I put Murdoch in this category, he seems hell bent on making as much profit as quickly as possible and at any cost, before he shuffles off! He's almost moving towards the "Head in the Jar" category of Bond type villains!
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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 10:34 PM)LP link Wrote:Which doesn't mean Biden isn't narcissistic, before the Trump boosters go on the attack!
Just as an aside...
One of the strange things about this thread is that you can write a dozen lines of criticism of one candidate and include one negative post about their opponent and it's that one negative aspect that will be zeroed in on, depending on the reader's political bent.
It's a subject that 'triggers' people.
The thing is that folks minds are pretty well made up, set in stone and no opinions are changing.
It's "Biden", "Trump" or "It's all going to hell anyway whoever wins"
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 10:28 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Good to see you haven't changed your spots.As they say, polka dots are the new stripes.