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Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - LP - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 12:44 AM)PaulP date Wrote:I mean, that's not quite right. We won the 2nd half quite convincingly, on the back of a few things, which included adjustments and changes made by the coaches. It was of course too little too late, but there was a Plan B and it worked.Yes, it's very hard to enact multiple plans when so many are out, no matter what fans or media vitriol suggests, injuries are a reason.
Even so while not expecting a victory, I'm still at a loss to explain the 40-50 minutes, I'm not shocked by our poor ball use because it's what we do, but I'm absolutely horrified by our lack of F50 entries. Even roving to a hopelessly losing ruck it's fair to expect Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra, etc., etc., to deliver more than just a couple of entries.
So the weekend was our worst case scenario, we hardly had any F50 entries and we wasted pretty much all of them.
The loss isn't a surprise, how we lost is. The Lions turned our strength, one of the AFL's most dominant strengths, into a outright weakness!
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Milhanna13 - 09-09-2024
(09-07-2024, 10:02 PM)kruddler link Wrote:https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2024-carlton-blues-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-from-first-elimination-final-patrick-cripps-sam-docherty-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/466ffeed2df7cb0d0b307fcfb86edf3f
Worst players...
Williams - 2
Durdin - 2
Motlop - 3
O. Hollands - 3
Kennedy - 3
Fantasia - 4
Cowan - 4
Cerra - 4
Kemp - 4
Saad - 4
4 small forwards and cerra was who I had an issue with pre-game.
5 of our worst 10 players were from that group including the worst 2.
I also had an issue with tdk starting as sub and said he shouldve started.
Tdk - 6
Pittonet - 6
Walsh - 6
Newman - 6
Weitering - 6
Acres - 7
Cripps - 8
Hewett - 8
'Post game experts' they say.
The loss is hard enough to take.
But when you can highlight the issues before the game (and I'm not alone in this) it makes it all that harder to take.
Not sure who Jack Jovanovski is - but that read as though a Pies or Dons supporter wrote it. Managed to stick the boots into EVERY player and seemed to enjoy it. I know we were woeful, but FOX probably shouldnt have a work experieince kid, with a skinful, writing the player reviews
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - tonyo - 09-09-2024
All I know is, there may be plenty of excuses, but we have to find an answer for those excuses......
Get tough and do it! FFS, if McGovern kicked the goal after the siren and we'd held on against the Saints, we would have been playing Port Adelaide in the Qualifying final.
We need to find the ruthless edge again - for me, we play too nice......
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ratlice - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 12:44 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I mean, that's not quite right. We won the 2nd half quite convincingly, on the back of a few things, which included adjustments and changes made by the coaches. It was of course too little too late, but there was a Plan B and it worked.The cue was in the rack in the 2nd half, lets be honest about it. Even Fagan said, we were nover going to win that game.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 01:48 AM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:Not sure who Jack Jovanovski is - but that read as though a Pies or Dons supporter wrote it. Managed to stick the boots into EVERY player and seemed to enjoy it. I know we were woeful, but FOX probably shouldnt have a work experieince kid, with a skinful, writing the player reviews
Yes, whoever wrote it was loving every minute. Still, he did have a point. All clubs have stinkers, including the Swans losing to Port by 112 (although some clubs produce stinkers at more regular intervals than others). I doubt anyone will ever figure out why, except that players and coaches are people, and all of us have unexplainable stinkers now and again. Most of us can get away with only a few people seeing them. In football, they are as ugly as dog's balls, and stick out just as much.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 02:05 AM)ratlice link Wrote:The cue was in the rack in the 2nd half, lets be honest about it. Even Fagan said, we were nover going to win that game.
The last couple of junk time goals yes I agree. But not before that IMO.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - BluePhantom - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 02:04 AM)tonyo link Wrote:All I know is, there may be plenty of excuses, but we have to find an answer for those excuses......
Get tough and do it! FFS, if McGovern kicked the goal after the siren and we'd held on against the Saints, we would have been playing Port Adelaide in the Qualifying final.
We need to find the ruthless edge again - for me, we play too nice......
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 02:07 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The last couple of junk time goals yes I agree. But not before that IMO.
And can I also just add. If Fagan seriously thinks putting the cue in the rack in an EF is a good strategy, then he needs a good talking to. If you're that cocky by half time, it's little wonder they have no silverware to show for their efforts.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-09-2024
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1217228/aaa-worrying-vision-exposes-skipper-confusing-blues-call?videoId=1217228&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1725843945001
For those interested, Matthew Lloyd's comments - a little on the game, selections and list. From about the 13m mark.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 12:13 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Nathan Buckley has just slammed the tactic of playing E Hollands behind the ball early and leaving us one short down forward fuelling Zorko. Doesnt buy the injury excuse given the poor effort.Nafan can slam all he likes, he doesn't know the tactical reasoning for it, only the coaching team does. Again, things were done that seem/ed poor but there was logic behind them at the time, they didnt work.
The Kennedy sub fiasco, selecting unfit players etc....I like Voss the man but his tactics are questionable and he is in charge and ultimately responsible.