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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - flyboy77 - 04-20-2021
Bit hard to go past two dead lasts, isn't it?
D50 to inside 50 %
18.1%
Rank 18th
Pressure factor
169
Rank 18th
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:13 AM)laj date Wrote:He's in the media and it is his job to criticise where warranted. That was an article that was very much spot on. Don't let your dislike for the messenger distract you from the message.I don't agree, Maclure is making a habit of potting the club in general and piling on the pressure.
You see guys like Matthew Lloyd target specific CheatsFC players, but they do so trying to improve the wider performance of the club, they don't pot the club in general.
Maclure barely has a surface left to add some graffiti!
Further, I have it on good authority that more than once he's scuppered / complicated trade deals by gobbing off to his mates down Sorrento way, he's unofficially known as a trout mouth and it takes very little to get him to regurgitate all he knows! He thinks he is in tight with blokes like Fox and Jess, but they laugh behind his back!
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:03 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Pretty sure he meant Sam not Mark, if not I'll just STFU. But I do agree, how are people in the media with opinions (like those of footy forums) to be held accountable?
I'm not really a Sam fan, but I was referring to Mark. Sam was on the real footy podcast talking about how our recent form is like Malthouse's last season, i.e no system. He then compared Docherty/Cripps now with Murphy/Gibbs back then - in both instances, he said those players were trying to do too much to help the team, but it was backfiring (like now) and that's why their form has suffered.
EDIT : and don't ever STFU. I like having you around, but your politics could benefit from a little "tweaking." ;D
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:43 AM)PaulP date Wrote:I'm not really a Sam fan, but I was referring to Mark. Sam was on the real footy podcast talking about how our recent form is like Malthouse's last season, i.e no system. He then compared Docherty/Cripps now with Murphy/Gibbs back then - in both instances, he said those players were trying to do too much to help the team, but it was backfiring (like now) and that's why their form has suffered.It's possible, but it's wrong to blame those players, the doing too much problem, overdoing it ethic, often comes from those around you doing too little!
You have to forgive the mistakes of those around you, ignore them, and just get on doing what you do well.
For example, I'll take aim at Big H, he kicked 7 a couple of weeks back but quite a few of those are rovers goals. Last weekend he broke a pack just once, and he took opponents to McGovern's contest looking for the cheap jump over the pack mark multiple times. Until Big H starts breaking some more packs, sacrificing when he can't get to the ball, and taking front position to deliver opportunities to our smalls, he won't improve and our team won't improve. We shouldn't need to use Cripps inside F50, but we do because of some of the reasons outlined above.
Contrast that to Levi, he has improved over the last few weeks because he's begun using his physical presence, it means he has an impact even when his form is not good.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:45 AM)LP link Wrote:It's possible, but it's wrong to blame those players, the doing too much problem, overdoing it ethic, often comes from those around you doing too little!
You have to forgive the mistakes of those around you, ignore them, and just get on doing what you do well.
Yes, maybe. I can imagine getting the balance right between "leading the way" and being selfish or biting off more than you can chew would be very hard to get right. And it would probably change constantly.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:49 AM)PaulP date Wrote:Yes, maybe. I can imagine getting the balance right between "leading the way" and being selfish or biting off more than you can chew would be very hard to get right. And it would probably change constantly.I don't know if it constantly changes, but I do know it takes along time, you have to persist a long time before you see a result, which comes well after trust and confidence is built.
The bit players have to know you've got their back, it's something Malthouse got wrong, he said he had their back then when the crunch came he didn't!
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-20-2021
Part of Crippas role as captain is to know each role within the team/team plan and to encourage each player to play his role to the best of his ability, offering real time and off-field advice and support where needed. I think he tends to take on aspects of others' roles in a "if you want the job done well, do it yourself" kind of way. I'm sure he means well in his desire to try and get us over the line off his own boot but that approach is not in the longer term best interests of the team as a whole.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:55 AM)cookie2 date Wrote:I think he tends to take on aspects of others' roles in a "if you want the job done well, do it yourself" kind of way.I think we(The Club) did this to him, when we started listening to media and experts that Cripps should be a CHF.
He's a mid-fielder, an inside the contest ball magnet, and we've turned him into a utility.
I'll go further, the only time he looked useful inside F50 to me is when he is at the fall of the ball roving the marking contest. Nobody is going to out mark Levi, Big H and McGovern, and nobody is going to out muscle Cripps. Our smalls should be switched onto this. Several times Cripps gets the ground ball within a wall of opponents and no passing team-mates to offload to, they all hang back! FFS, when the contest is on all Big H has to do is put one of those huge mitts in the air and bring the ball to his feet! Instead more than once you can see the defender get a clear 15m punch away, that should never happen.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:33 AM)LP link Wrote:I don't agree, Maclure is making a habit of potting the club in general and piling on the pressure.
You see guys like Matthew Lloyd target specific CheatsFC players, but they do so trying to improve the wider performance of the club, they don't pot the club in general.
Maclure barely has a surface left to add some graffiti!
Further, I have it on good authority that more than once he's scuppered / complicated trade deals by gobbing off to his mates down Sorrento way, he's unofficially known as a trout mouth and it takes very little to get him to regurgitate all he knows! He thinks he is in tight with blokes like Fox and Jess, but they laugh behind his back!
Unfortunately, the only thing you could do to the club in 20 years is pot them. Hasn't been alot to praise them about. Whatever anyone thinks of him his article was right on the money.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - BluePhantom - 04-20-2021
(04-20-2021, 03:09 AM)laj link Wrote:Coaches can't get players to play for each other. They can encourage it as much as possible but in the end the motivation comes from within and that one is on the players. Parko was talking that just a couple for weeks ago. Can tell you that from my experience coaching. 1995 was very player driven after failures the previous 2 years and we drew a line in the sand after an absolute flogging in a practice game. We can only hope the current players draw a line in the sand, much like Geelong did in 2007 when 2-3 after round 5, and do something.How may Line in the Sand moments does this club want or need?
We have at least 3 or 4 a year where the players, the club, could say enough is enough.
But.... crickets, because as someone said before we are NICE.
What ever happened to Fudge everyone, We are Carlton?