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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - LP - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 10:04 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:The big question is. Why is Tom the only one in strife?Must have been lemonade!
FFS, SDK has been subbed for a HIA twice already this season if I recall correctly!
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - Adelaideblue - 04-30-2023
Sounds like there could have been a reason for TDK's performance.
"A difficult fortnight for axed big man Tom De Koning continued on Saturday when he suffered a concussion and finished with just seven touches, 13 hitouts and one goal in a narrow loss to the Bulldogs. The 23-year-old, who was dropped from the senior side two weeks ago, is out of contract at the end of this season." from "Axed Blue Concussed". AFL
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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - Lods - 04-30-2023
'Potential' is pretty much just a judgement call with footballers.
It's not measurable.
A player is only really as good as his current ability,
Some improve, some do not.
What evidence is there to suggest Tom will be a better footballer given time.
This may be as good as it gets.
Right now the judgements of TDK's 'potential' are heading south at a great rate.
Two first rounders is 'pie in the sky' stuff at this moment...but that could quite easily change.
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - pinot - 04-30-2023
two firsts with a future second going the other way isn't completely out of the realms of possibility.
As clubs will pay big on potential and list need.
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 11:31 PM)pinot link Wrote:two firsts with a future second going the other way isn't completely out of the realms of possibility.Reckon his value has dropped trade and money wise.Cant see anyone forking out two first rounders and if it's Geelong have they actually got any decent picks after trading big last year?
As clubs will pay big on potential and list need.
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - Lods - 05-02-2023
Question answered ;D
Efficient Pittonet
https://www.zerohanger.com/carlton-tall-ranks-no-1-as-afls-most-efficient-among-top-ruckmen-136328/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Zero%20Hanger&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3munbRMQBWSsNjHp4nYTH8jtqABEq7AZ4RUF3u7rGRpqK451SwLS193VE#Echobox=1682998648
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-02-2023
(05-02-2023, 07:11 AM)Lods link Wrote:Question answered ;DInteresting how last seasons GF winners Geelong have their two rucks down the bottom of the list...proving having an efficient winning ruck is a bonus rather than a necessity.
Efficient Pittonet
https://www.zerohanger.com/carlton-tall-ranks-no-1-as-afls-most-efficient-among-top-ruckmen-136328/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Zero%20Hanger&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3munbRMQBWSsNjHp4nYTH8jtqABEq7AZ4RUF3u7rGRpqK451SwLS193VE#Echobox=1682998648
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - kruddler - 05-02-2023
(05-02-2023, 07:11 AM)Lods link Wrote:Question answered ;DI've been saying it for years and basically invented that stat. Nobody had ever seen it before, and people couldn't understand its significance.
Efficient Pittonet
https://www.zerohanger.com/carlton-tall-ranks-no-1-as-afls-most-efficient-among-top-ruckmen-136328/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Zero%20Hanger&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3munbRMQBWSsNjHp4nYTH8jtqABEq7AZ4RUF3u7rGRpqK451SwLS193VE#Echobox=1682998648
This guy comes in and does literally the exact same thing and people start to take notice? LMAO.
Up until recently, people were wanting TDK as our #1 ruck.
Now people are starting to see the value of Pittonet. Overall he is very much above average and usually falls into the elite category for rucks (top 10% IIRC). His last 2 weeks with 18 and 11 hitouts to advantage are through the roof.
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - crashlander - 05-02-2023
(05-02-2023, 10:52 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I've been saying it for years and basically invented that stat. Nobody had ever seen it before, and people couldn't understand its significance.Pitto is limited, but he is very good at what he does. he was the best ruck in the comp last year until he got injured. He hasn't got back to that form yet, but he makes a real difference. When he gets a tap, our mids are likely to get the ball.
This guy comes in and does literally the exact same thing and people start to take notice? LMAO.
Up until recently, people were wanting TDK as our #1 ruck.
Now people are starting to see the value of Pittonet. Overall he is very much above average and usually falls into the elite category for rucks (top 10% IIRC). His last 2 weeks with 18 and 11 hitouts to advantage are through the roof.
Not so with Tom de Koning. When he gets a tap, it is less than 25% of the times that we can get the ball easily.
The way Williams played Pitto on Saturday should give Tom ideas: Tom can jump higher and is stronger, but doesn't get the ball on his terms, Williams almost did.
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? - PaulP - 05-02-2023
I'd be curious to see how an outfit like Champion Data rates Pittonet. If you head over to Footywire and compare him to other rucks (I compared him to Sean Darcy, Tim English, and Blicavs using career averages) his limitations are fairly obvious IMO.
I have no inherent issue with Pittonet, but I remain unconvinced that any tyre pumping is really justified. A one trick pony, and limited beyond that IMO.