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Re: Formula 1 - Gointocarlton - 02-09-2024
It would seem the Karma Bus is a couple of blocks away from Horner's house and he's about to step onto the curb. Low life, cocky a-hole about to get his comeuppance (I hope).
Re: Formula 1 - kruddler - 02-09-2024
The bloke earned $15+million a year, is the best in the world at what he does, is married to a spice girl and gets to travel the world watching the fastest cars in the world go round from the best seat in the house every 2nd weekend.
I think he's got.every right to be arrogant.
Re: Formula 1 - LP - 02-10-2024
It seems the full story is not as cut and dry as the media make out, why am I not surprised!
The hard left fascist media feminists want to paint the bloke as a misogynist multi-millionaire who steps on people for a living.
The reality is he sits at the top of a brutal sport, you can't just be good to survive, you have to be the best of the best.
It seems behind the scenes, and well before the complaints were made, issues had been raised about the performance of the complainant. In effect for being warned to pull up their socks and keep to their boundaries instead of lifting their game they responded with assertions of bullying. This is a modern phenomena, something quite foreign to people over 40, but at epidemic levels in the 20 to 30 age group.
Re: Formula 1 - kruddler - 02-10-2024
(02-10-2024, 12:30 AM)LP link Wrote:It seems the full story is not as cut and dry as the media make out, why am I not surprised!
The hard left fascist media feminists want to paint the bloke as a misogynist multi-millionaire who steps on people for a living.
The reality is he sits at the top of a brutal sport, you can't just be good to survive, you have to be the best of the best.
It seems behind the scenes, and well before the complaints were made, issues had been raised about the performance of the complainant. In effect for being warned to pull up their socks and keep to their boundaries instead of lifting their game they responded with assertions of bullying. This is a modern phenomena, something quite foreign to people over 40, but at epidemic levels in the 20 to 30 age group.
I've heard 2 versions, with the above being the most common.
The other is unsolicited 'pics' sent from Horners phone.
I'm not sure if the latter version is part of a smear campaign from her side, or even a rivals side (or rival fan), but if it is the option listed above, then we should expect a lot more of this in the future from the 'woke' generation.
Re: Formula 1 - LP - 02-10-2024
(02-10-2024, 01:13 AM)kruddler date Wrote:The other is unsolicited 'pics' sent from Horners phone.With AI and Phone Spoofing software none of that can be trusted anymore, they can create a fake image and have it sent to any phone number from any other phone number, and if the complaints to the carrier aren't made early enough the trace records are long gone.
Re: Formula 1 - LP - 03-14-2024
Interesting to hear the legal claims from Massa regarding 2008, not much F1 could have done at the time, but certainly in hindsight he's got a very good case following the revelations the Piquet Singapore crash was deliberate.
In my opinion, the fact that the FIA later banned a number of Renault managers and technicians, leaves the FIA with little ground to stand on.
Massa deserves compensation as a minimum, and quite possibly the 2008 world title.
I suspect the FIA defence will assert Ecclestone has dementia or is otherwise losing his 93 year old marbles.
Re: Formula 1 - kruddler - 03-14-2024
(03-14-2024, 02:25 AM)LP link Wrote:Interesting to hear the legal claims from Massa regarding 2008, not much F1 could have done at the time, but certainly in hindsight he's got a very good case following the revelations the Piquet Singapore crash was deliberate.
In my opinion, the fact that the FIA later banned a number of Renault managers and technicians, leaves the FIA with little ground to stand on.
Massa deserves compensation as a minimum, and quite possibly the 2008 world title.
I suspect the FIA defence will assert Ecclestone has dementia or is otherwise losing his 93 year old marbles.
There is no way that the world championship will get reallocated to Massa.
Not sure what his game is, but he needs to let it go.
If this goes through then pandoras box get its lid completely blown off.
Any sport that has had some kind of insider better would be open to have the result changed and the knockons from all of that.
Of course Hamilton would lose his title, and then immediatly start up his own lawsuit on the one he lost to verstappen because of the broken rules by Massi.
There was talk about Alonso been given a 20second penalty and then having it overturned late last year so he could get his 100th podium was the result of corruption and potentially betting as well.
The tour de france would have its winner changed every year everytime there is a new retrospective drug bust there.
etc
THEN you have the people complaining about their bets not being honoured at the time, even though 2-10-30 years later a result is changed to what they had at the time.
Then class action lawsuits start of the back of that....
So no.
It won't be changed.
Re: Formula 1 - LP - 03-14-2024
(03-14-2024, 05:35 AM)kruddler date Wrote:So no.Regardless, I think he is a significant chance for some sort of payout, even if it's just to drop the lawsuit, because reality is when Renault directed Piquet to crash to bring Alonso back into contention it was deliberate. None of that can be debated because they have all since confessed, and it looks like in old age Eccelstone has disclosed they knew that at the time not just retrospectively.
It won't be changed.
Whether it was in or out of the rules of the time might be debated, deliberately crashing into barriers wasn't explicitly written in at that time as far as I know, but the FIA banned the Renault people so it must have thought it was crook.
Re: Formula 1 - kruddler - 03-14-2024
(03-14-2024, 06:20 AM)LP link Wrote:Regardless, I think he is a significant chance for some sort of payout, even if it's just to drop the lawsuit, because reality is when Renault directed Piquet to crash to bring Alonso back into contention it was deliberate. None of that can be debated because they have all since confessed, and it looks like in old age Eccelstone has disclosed they knew that at the time not just retrospectively.
Whether it was in or out of the rules of the time might be debated, deliberately crashing into barriers wasn't explicitly written in at that time as far as I know, but the FIA banned the Renault people so it must have thought it was crook.
So if Wayne Harmes said, yep, 100% the ball was out. Do we owe something to Collingwood? If the (then) VFL officials said, we knew it was out, and didn't say anything, do we hand them the flag?
I remember the GP, i remember Martin Brundle at the time saying that is a VERY UNUSUAL place for someone to crash and it doesn't make sense. He called it live.
With the amount of telemetry they have available, ,it doesn't take much for them to work out the excess throttle, or steering was applied on that lap and none other before it, causing the 'accident'. So knowing about it, is one thing. Being against the rules is another.
In the last race, every man and his dog knew that Magnussen was backing up cars behind him so that Hulkenberg could get a pit-stop gap between him and everyone else.
It worked. Haas got their point. Everyone else sooked it up behind. It is not against the rules. So it stands.
Deliberately crashing is not against the rules. So whatever happens from there is irrelevent.
Re: Formula 1 - LP - 03-14-2024
(03-14-2024, 07:03 AM)kruddler date Wrote:I remember the GP, i remember Martin Brundle at the time saying that is a VERY UNUSUAL place for someone to crash and it doesn't make sense. He called it live.He did, as I said, I think financial compo is the most likely outcome, simply because blokes have since confessed and a top official appears to have disclosed that they knew but did not act at the time.
I don't think Massa gets a championship, but I think he is a big chance at getting dollars such is the system.