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Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 09-08-2024
(09-08-2024, 11:04 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I think we first need to figure out if in fact there is a problem that relates to personal incompetence (as opposed to simple bad luck with injuries etc.) and we then need to figure out which individual is responsible. And that's not possible for us on the outside. I know on social media everybody knows exactly what the problems are, where they lie, and how to fix them, but in the real world.....
We have tried more senior coaches than pretty much any other club in recent years. It doesn't work. And no, it's not because "we keep picking the wrong bloke."
Under Voss we have played more consistent good footy, and if nothing else, Cripps, Weitering and Walsh have IMO clearly benefited from him as coach, all going to another level under his tutelage.
While I agree with that Paul, as Daisy Thomas pointed out, our arousal level was far too low at the start of the game. That’s largely a collective coaching responsibility but with Vossy bearing the lion’s share (oops!). The leadership group also has to take some of the blame.
I’m always impressed by Vossy’s calm demeanour, but perhaps he was too calm and needed to rev the boys up a tad more. He does seem to learn from his mistakes and I don’t expect to see low arousal levels again.
I don’t buy the criticism of Vossy’s game day coaching. He’s as good as the next coach and his planning and preparation is very good. Injuries, and the lack of depth those injuries exposed, screwed our season.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Lods - 09-08-2024
We won't be changing the coach in the short term.
Folks are disappointed and are looking for reasons and targets to blame.
I think we forget that before the injuries really started to impact we were sitting second on the ladder having smashed Geelong.
It's right there in front of our faces...from Round 17 on.
Injuries, extra burden on others, more injuries, players having to carry injuries, games missed, players returning underdone, season over.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - madbluboy - 09-08-2024
I said before the match that the Lions are very good team, have now won 11 of their last 13.
Full strength we might have had a chance but we were far from it.
Of our ins
Harry looked ok
Docherty below average
Cerra looked cooked
McGovern below average
Zac Williams cooked
TDK looked great but was sub for a reason
None of those guys would have played if it wasn't a final.
Add to that
Acres has been carrying a shoulder
Durdin should not have been playing considering we actually had options to replace him. That's the weird one for me.
5 of my best side were not playing, not sure if they're in Voss' but I think they would have been handy
Curnow - Champion, best forward in the AFL
Owies - Best small forward
Boyd - Was our designated kicker earlier this year.
Fogarty - Pressure
Cincotta - Pressure
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-08-2024
(09-08-2024, 11:21 PM)DJC link Wrote:While I agree with that Paul, as Daisy Thomas pointed out, our arousal level was far too low at the start of the game. That’s largely a collective coaching responsibility but with Vossy bearing the lion’s share (oops!). The leadership group also has to take some of the blame.
I’m always impressed by Vossy’s calm demeanour, but perhaps he was too calm and needed to rev the boys up a tad more. He does seem to learn from his mistakes and I don’t expect to see low arousal levels again.
I don’t buy the criticism of Vossy’s game day coaching. He’s as good as the next coach and his planning and preparation is very good. Injuries, and the lack of depth those injuries exposed, screwed our season.
I'm quite certain that after the 2023 Preliminary final (when we stormed out of the gate in that 1st q), Voss stated that he perhaps revved the players up a bit too much before the game. Maybe he over corrected this time around.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-08-2024
(09-08-2024, 11:06 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Ill say there were reasons why they did what they did which we aren't privy to. They took risks that didnt come off.Like any big business when you do that though you have to wear the incoming and admit your mistakes. It's been a wasted year due to injury etc but to rock up in a elimination final and give nothing for half a game isn't going to be tolerated that's not injury etc that's players and coaches not up for the fight and it was down right embarrassing and revisiting the dark days.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 09-08-2024
(09-08-2024, 11:39 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Like any big business when you do that though you have to wear the incoming and admit your mistakes. It's been a wasted year due to injury etc but to rock up in a elimination final and give nothing for half a game isn't going to be tolerated that's not injury etc that's players and coaches not up for the fight and it was down right embarrassing and revisiting the dark days.100%, the gamble was that if we won, the returning players had a game under their belt.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-08-2024
(09-08-2024, 11:56 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:100%, the gamble was that if we won, the returning players had a game under their belt.I couldn't see us progressing and I would have preferred some finals experience for Lord, Moir, Binns etc...
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-09-2024
(09-08-2024, 11:21 PM)DJC link Wrote:While I agree with that Paul, as Daisy Thomas pointed out, our arousal level was far too low at the start of the game. That’s largely a collective coaching responsibility but with Vossy bearing the lion’s share (oops!). The leadership group also has to take some of the blame.Nathan Buckley has just slammed the tactic of playing E Hollands behind the ball early and leaving us one short down forward fuelling Zorko. Doesnt buy the injury excuse given the poor effort.
I’m always impressed by Vossy’s calm demeanour, but perhaps he was too calm and needed to rev the boys up a tad more. He does seem to learn from his mistakes and I don’t expect to see low arousal levels again.
I don’t buy the criticism of Vossy’s game day coaching. He’s as good as the next coach and his planning and preparation is very good. Injuries, and the lack of depth those injuries exposed, screwed our season.
The Kennedy sub fiasco, selecting unfit players etc....I like Voss the man but his tactics are questionable and he is in charge and ultimately responsible.
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - ratlice - 09-09-2024
It seems to me that we have lost too many games where we are well in front and lose.
Last year's final against Brisbane, Swans this year, Giants & Bulldogs.
No plan B when the opposition have us worked out!!!
This game we were worked out before the bounce and again had no answer!!!
Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 09-09-2024
(09-09-2024, 12:36 AM)ratlice link Wrote:It seems to me that we have lost too many games where we are well in front and lose.
Last year's final against Brisbane, Swans this year, Giants & Bulldogs.
No plan B when the opposition have us worked out!!!
This game we were worked out before the bounce and again had no answer!!!
I mean, that's not quite right. We won the 2nd half quite convincingly, on the back of a few things, which included adjustments and changes made by the coaches. It was of course too little too late, but there was a Plan B and it worked.