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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 07:51 AM)Lods link Wrote:Got me thinking...
With the 'stand still' rule... Is there an advantage to not standing the mark in a forward defensive situation...when the opposition has the ball deep in your attacking zone?
You wouldn't do it all the time.
You would think you're leaving yourself wide open and that may very well be the case (almost certainly) but...
It gives the player with the ball a few things to think about.
Does he play through the mark?
Where is the mark?
When does he bounce?
You have an extra player ahead of the ball with freedom of movement.
It has been done, re not standing the mark, but standing 5m back from it. It is mainly utilised when the player has the ball close to the boundary. They stand back 5m and at the 45. Essentially chopping off the inboard 45 kick, forcing them to go long down the line, or switch it across goal.
Same thing happens when a player is having a shot from about 50-55....again, when on an angle. It stops the player looping around to get some extra distance and cuts off the 45 inside.
There are actually a lot of tactics that have been trialled in certain circumstances that the average joe either doesn't realise or misinterprets what is actually happening.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Gointocarlton - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 06:52 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Ed has been consistent all season and Cuningham has played a couple of decent games in a row, jury still out on him but heYou blokes are easily please with Cunners calling his game decent.
has some weapons in terms of pace and being able to kick goals and lets hope he can stay fit and interested.
I'm going to agree with Krud on Pittonet and I dont get the negative waves about his game, I thought he won the ruck, was handy
in the clearances getting his frame in the play and had a good game as you alluded too.
He isnt going to be the next Dean Cox but given he was a cheap moneyball solution from the Box Hill Hawks in the main he has earned his money unlike a few more highly paid imports who have been in the news on this forum lately.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Milhanna13 - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 06:05 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You know the debate. We were 'beaten in the ruck' thats why we lost the stoppages. It was Pittonets fault.
Except....when it was the total opposite. Ruck stats clearly show that.
FWIW, Pittonet beat him around the ground too, but that wasn't the argument.
Funny, I thought their kid jumped him early and had him rattled and beat him, when the clearances were pretty even. Later, I thought Pitto got it together and about broke even - and that’s when we got creamed in the clearances!
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Milhanna13 - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 06:29 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I can remember one time which was highlighted by the commentary team.....and i think that was smart.
It was basically 10m out, nobody stood the mark.
As a result the player starts walking in from 20m out and walks right up to the 10m mark (which once he passes is called play on!) and thats what he did, walked passed it and the umpire called play on.
Watching all this happening was Eddie Betts, right as the play on call occurred he was in full sprint mode to get to the kicker.
Now it didn't work, he got the kick away and the goal, but it was close. For something that was a gimme goal, i found it an interesting tactic.....and i think it was just that, a tactic, rather than someone forgetting.
On other occassions i've noticed players fall back from the mark (not standing on the mark) and that gives them the freedom to move sideways (as long as they are '5m' behind the mark.) and actually puts more pressure on the kicker as a result.
Again, this is a tactic and something we've done at least a handful of times.
So maybe don't be so quick to point the finger.
Yeah, I didn’t get the comm box going nuts over standing the mark. He was 10m out, standing he mar wasn’t going to make much difference. I didn’t pick up what you mentioned about Eddie - but it makes sense - may as well roll the dice and see if you can do something different with an almost certain goal
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 10:23 AM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:Funny, I thought their kid jumped him early and had him rattled and beat him, when the clearances were pretty even. Later, I thought Pitto got it together and about broke even - and that’s when we got creamed in the clearances!
Seems about right to me.
Coming up against a new kid, you have to learn on the job. You don't really know what he is going to do because you haven't played against him yet. Limited video to study. Wing it.
Once you get some idea on how he plays, then you work out how to beat him....and beat him he did. Unfortunately the other 3 blokes around him went MIA all at the same time. Cripps and Williams having their worst games for the year, if not their career.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 10:11 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:You blokes are easily please with Cunners calling his game decent.How many players played better?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 10:11 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:You blokes are easily please with Cuners calling his game decent.
Keeping standards high is a daily challenge. ;D
I thought he did ok. He is starting to show more than just glimpses IMO, and what he offers, we sorely lack. He has played 3,8,5,9,12 and 3 games over 6 seasons, so his senior experience is not only limited, it's also been interrupted and intermittent. He is silk when he's up and about, and beautiful to watch. He could be one of those players coaches always talk about that don't have many possessions, but every one of those possessions really counts. Of course, up till now, the body of work is thin, but I hope he smashes it.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Gointocarlton - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 10:33 AM)kruddler link Wrote:How many players played better?Oh so its relative to others? Is that how we rate players these days? Ill just STFU then and give it away. Make him captain then.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 10:41 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Oh so its relative to others? Is that how we rate players these days? Ill just STFU then and give it away. Make him captain then.
Well it is, kinda. Players have to be dropped and if there were no players better than him, then its fair to say his performance was not good enough.
If however, his performance was better than the captain, the (almost) million dollar man and quite a few others, then i think it shows something that 'the cameo king' is elevating his levels despite those around him lowering theirs.
Or....if you just want to bag players because ti makes you feel good, be my guest. May i recommend Pittonet? Or perhaps Newnes? They seem to be flavour of the month despite performing to a higher level than they are given credit for.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - keogh - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 09:28 AM)kruddler link Wrote:You know who else got 2 possessions in the last quarter.....Captain Cripps.Why not
For a guy who is captain, that is CLEARLY not good enough.
The whole team was crape in the last, using that to justify your argument (if it is indeed based on stats or just your opinion) doesn't make him look bad, it makes him look like the rest of the team.
He played shit and went missing when it counted
How many credits does Cripps have in the bank