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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - cookie2 - 03-29-2021
(03-29-2021, 02:22 AM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:My understanding (I didnt watch the game), is that Hill put on a clinic on turnover-merchantry on the weekend.... so, prob not the best example
But, yes, when Saad laced-out a few on Thurs night, a few of us were wondering the last time we actually saw that in Navy Blue!!
Agree, Hill was very average this week.
Love Saad - he and Walsh clearly our best imo.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - WASurfer - 03-29-2021
Been saying it for years in these forums....we simply don't have enough blokes who you'd say are "elite" with ball in hand. Williams and Saad have probably doubled the number! You could quite easily drop half a dozen blokes from round 2 based on their first two games this year (Murphy, Setterfield, Dow, Plowman, Williamson, Casboult.....probably one or two more) but like every year for the last half a dozen or so, where's the quality to come in?
Apart from Walsh a few years ago, our recruiting has been sh#thouse. We seem to be able to identify and then draft blokes who can't kick properly. We still haven't been able to draft or recruit a designated defender who can play a lock down role on an opponent. People on here saying the days of the tagger are gone because of the rule changes.....tell that to you young O'Connor from Geelong who kept Lachie Neale to 3 first half possessions on Friday night. Ed Curnow is still the only run-with type we seem to have. We've recruited and drafted a plethora of half-backs and right now Saad is the only one who's guaranteed of getting a game.
We only have two key defenders on the list.
We have one genuine ruckman in TDK who's injured. Pittonet bangs in hard and gives it a real go but is a 2nd stringer at best.
We gave up plenty to get McGovern and into year 3, he's pretty much done nothing for us.
People are quick to bag Jack Silvagni and he might not be an A-Grader, but I'd have him in the team before most others for the chasing, tackling, smothers etc that he brings.
Freo might be without Fyfe this week along with their two best key defenders but one thing will be certain, they'll be ferocious and desperate to win. If we're not, then it's 0-3...no chance of playing finals footy (again) and another finish hovering around the bottom 5 or so....and in familiar territory with no sign of where the improvement will come from.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - dodge - 03-29-2021
According to Teague, LOB was unlucky to be dropped (for Williams or Martin) as he's been in good form...
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 03-29-2021
(03-29-2021, 05:45 AM)dodge link Wrote:According to Teague, LOB was unlucky to be dropped (for Williams or Martin) as he's been in good form...
When I heard that it took Mrs Baggers more than hour to reconfigure my body, as I fell through my own @rse. :o :o
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-29-2021
(03-29-2021, 01:20 AM)Macca37 link Wrote:Our abysmal recruiting over the years has left us with a list that sets a new standard for mediocrity.Some fair points Macca...the introduction of Saad has really improved delivery of the ball from half back but also shown how a really good user like Saad stands out when you put him with a team of very average kicking players who cant hit targets.
We are so lacking in skills, especially foot skills, that we are forced to play a predictable game that is easily countered by the opposition.
It was on display against Collingwood. As soon as our players tired Collingwood packed its backline and we went back to our usual style of kicking the ball long into the forward line in the hope we could somehow scrounge a goal.
We had two forwards, one being Murphy, who showed they could not make the goal line from 40 metres.
We are unable to control the tempo of a game because of poor kicking skills. When we try to do so opposition teams sit back waiting for the inevitable turnover.
Our recruiters must see what we see as to what makes a successful list so what is their problem?
We picked Dow with the view he would slot straight into the middle, yet it was well known that he has poor disposal skills. Setterfield, amongst others falls into that category.
This century we have recruited just three players I can think of who could kick accurately, kick long, and kick with either foot - Scotland, Houlihan and Gibbs. That is a disgracefully small number.
St Kilda got Bradley Hill. In the first quarter of our practice match he gave a Rolls Royce performance of skills that left our players floundering.
I'm at the point of believing no coach could do much with this talentless list.
Really good players hit targets under pressure ie Saad...but a lot of our players cant hit targets even under no pressure.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - capcom - 03-29-2021
(03-29-2021, 06:35 AM)Baggers link Wrote:When I heard that it took Mrs Baggers more than hour to reconfigure my body, as I fell through my own @rse. :o :o
Ya see, that's what pees me off about Teague .... how can he not see what virtually everyone else can? LOB is hopeless
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - kruddler - 03-29-2021
(03-29-2021, 07:01 AM)capcom link Wrote:Ya see, that's what pees me off about Teague .... how can he not see what virtually everyone else can? LOB is hopeless
Far be it from me to defend anything relating to LOB, i championed his dropping as soon as it was announced he was in the R1 team.
That being said, i wouldn't want Teague to say anything else. LOB cops plenty of whacks and his confidence would be rock bottom. What he needs is backing from his coach. Anything else and its to his, and the teams, detriment.
As long as its words, and Teague doesn't follow through by actually picking him!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 03-29-2021
(03-29-2021, 08:34 AM)kruddler date Wrote:Far be it from me to defend anything relating to LOB, i championed his dropping as soon as it was announced he was in the R1 team.I thought Rnd 1 LOB wasn't as bad as many have made out, he made one significant clanger, but there were probably another 3 or 4 who made equally bad if not worse mistakes while contributing less than LOB.
That being said, i wouldn't want Teague to say anything else. LOB cops plenty of whacks and his confidence would be rock bottom. What he needs is backing from his coach. Anything else and its to his, and the teams, detriment.
As long as its words, and Teague doesn't follow through by actually picking him!
LOB handed out a couple of hot potato passes as well, but he received some also. Ironically, you get some of the very same fans lambasting SPS for being tagged with the pill, but if he hands it off to a team-mate who gets pegged he'll be lambasted for that as well. It's a no win situation for players like LOB and SPS.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 03-30-2021
LOB was better than Murphy in rd 1.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 03-30-2021
(03-30-2021, 12:34 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:LOB was better than Murphy in rd 1.Yes, quite possibly although in different roles.
Jones, Casboult, Plowman, Williamson, SPS all had shockers in my opinion, in that they either had little influence or made horrendous momentum shifting blunders.
I would rated LOB about level with Dow on the day!