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Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 02:52 AM)LP link Wrote:I still contend our problems were mostly player development related and not drafting related, we had picks that many thought were OK, very few of them made the grade!Watson, Bootsma, Lucas, Yarran, Mitchell, McCarthy, Menzel, Temay, Giles, Holman, Viojo Rainbow and Smith all say hi.
The tell is the way players leave our club and appear to step up!
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 03:09 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Watson, Bootsma, Lucas, Yarran, Mitchell, McCarthy, Menzel, Temay, Giles, Holman, Viojo Rainbow and Smith all say hi.
Yes, painful memories indeed! Add all of those to our poor past culture/development environment and no wonder we ended up as a basket case. Anyway we must now look forward and learn from the past.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 03:13 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yes, painful memories indeed! Add all of those to our poor past culture/development environment and no wonder we ended up as a basket case. Anyway we must now look forward and learn from the past.Agree Cookie, I just get a little riled up when people suggest our drafting was ok and our development let us down. I am fully aware of the deficiencies in our development in the passed, however I have a friend who is best mates with an AFL recruiter. He tells me we were the laughing stock (literally) and the but of many jokes on every draft day pre SOS. SOS may well have joined in the laughter back then. I am staggered at how long it took to change, heck the Geelong guy we got even left practically before he started because we were such a joke.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 03:20 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Agree Cookie, I just get a little riled up when people suggest our drafting was ok and our development let us down. I am fully aware of the deficiencies in our development in the passed, however I have a friend who is best mates with an AFL recruiter. He tells me we were the laughing stock (literally) and the but of many jokes on every draft day pre SOS.
Mate, it's incredible how long that cr@p went on for!
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Jofo - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 03:13 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yes, painful memories indeed! Add all of those to our poor past culture/development environment and no wonder we ended up as a basket case. Anyway we must now look forward and learn from the past.
Yes, I agree it's all in the past. We need another 3 years to see the hard work being done now, coming to fruition.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 03:43 AM)Jofo link Wrote:Yes, I agree it's all in the past. We need another 3 years to see the hard work being done now, coming to fruition.Exactly.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - hotspur - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 03:13 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yes, painful memories indeed! Add all of those to our poor past culture/development environment and no wonder we ended up as a basket case. Anyway we must now look forward and learn from the past.You can tell how bad our recruiting was that not one of those players are on a list
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 04-24-2017
I don't care who we picked, they were all appropriately rated by us and other clubs and they all failed to progress at our club including those players who left to improve at another club!
The fact that many left our club broken should be a warning to supporters about how our club develops younger players, and keep that in mind relative to our current youth tactics.
You can blame the list manager for some of the mix, but in those cases the coach also gets some blame, the list manager generally acts as instructed.
You can't blame the list manager for players who leave and get better, or players who fail to achieve / reach expectations, that is clearly not the list managers job.
(04-24-2017, 03:43 AM)Jofo link Wrote:Yes, I agree it's all in the past. We need another 3 years to see the hard work being done now, coming to fruition.
Do you expect the likes of Cripps and Weitering to be re-signing three years from now if the sort of sh1te we currently deliver persists? Will they be physically and psychologically damaged beyond repair? Maybe they'll just be more busted kids on the way out by them!
If the club and players start to improve, doesn't that mean we no longer get low draft picks we say we need, or do you think we can improve with mid-range picks?
Do you really think Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer trades will attract low 1st Rnd picks?
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Professer E - 04-24-2017
GITC, I also knew a bloke who was part of the recruiting network for a Victorian club and he indicated that a couple of clubs are regarded as recruiting and trading nuff nuffs... not just us.
A number of clubs openly laughed when we drafted a "fat, unfit" Cripps. I do take exception to the fact that everybody we drafted pre-SOS was a dud, many were highly regarded juniors. Some like Giles were cruelled by injury, others were nutcases, but poor development certainly played a big role in the failure of many to come through.
Re: 2017 Round 5: Post Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - cookie2 - 04-24-2017
(04-24-2017, 04:24 AM)Professer E link Wrote:GITC, I also knew a bloke who was part of the recruiting network for a Victorian club and he indicated that a couple of clubs are regarded as recruiting and trading nuff nuffs... not just us.
A number of clubs openly laughed when we drafted a "fat, unfit" Cripps. I do take exception to the fact that everybody we drafted pre-SOS was a dud, many were highly regarded juniors. Some like Giles were cruelled by injury, others were nutcases, but poor development certainly played a big role in the failure of many to come through.
I would think that an impartial analysis of why that was so would be a very interesting exercise.