(05-07-2015, 10:39 PM)Lods link Wrote:The problem with making the change now though, is that we then have a coach who...

-Won't be the senior coach next year, so anything he does differently will then have to be redone.
-May (likely to) get us a few wins and an improved effort...you know what happens then. We sign that bloke up on a three year contract without following due process once again.

On the other hand what do we have to lose by seeing this season out with Mick.

Membership is no longer an issue...that's basically done and dusted for the year.
On field we are at as low a level of performance as we've been since the Pagan years.
We can't get much worse there.

Much better to just let it go for this year and start with a completely fresh approach for 2016.
Hopefully that's not just at the coaching level.

The thing that really annoys me is that we're saying these things after round 5
Round screwing five!

(05-08-2015, 12:53 AM)DontgoJuddy link Wrote:@ Thryleon
There is no way to sugar coat this. After all the positive hype in the off season, this group seemed to crumble under the expectation after qtr time of the Richmond game and have not recovered. The season was over then and there. Dont look at the NZ game, Upper Kumbuckta West could have beaten the Saints that day.  Make no mistake, 2015 is a write off and there is more turmoil to come at seasons end rest assured. Sunday could get ugly, Monday might be even uglier.

(05-08-2015, 01:19 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I'm not trying to sugar coat it, but I just don't see the point in giving up, less than a quarter into a season.  One quarter in and we are talking rebuilds, tanking, draft picks, because our club has shown that they don't believe in Malthouse, or the Boys to win, and then we want them to turn around and play like Gladiators?


I want our boys to believe.
I want them to believe that they could be good enough.
I want them to believe that they will go out there and actually compete hard.
I want them to believe that they can win.
I want them to believe, that they could conceivably go out there and win the rest of their games, and win a forking flag.
It's 21 vs 21 with a sub each.  A bit of luck and we can win most weeks provided the team plays with the requisite ability to hit targets, and play football for each other.

We have only lost 4 games for the year.

Premiership teams have lost more for the year and still won the flag.

It would take a change of attitude and execution of 180 degrees to achieve it, but we all can agree that 90% of that appears to be in the players minds and our club collectively having given up on season 2015 is not what I want to see from any level of our leadership which is Mark Lo Giudice's first major stuff up as president of our footy club, and Stephen Trigg's too.

The only good thing about it, is that the players now have the ability to play with absolutely no pressure on them.  Which should yield better results, but on this occasion is not, which does mean that they care about being written off and might not be happy about it.

(05-08-2015, 01:19 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I want our boys to believe.
I want them to believe that they could be good enough.
I want them to believe that they will go out there and actually compete hard.
I want them to believe that they can win.
I want them to believe, that they could conceivably go out there and win the rest of their games, and win a forking flag.
It's 21 vs 21 with a sub each.  A bit of luck and we can win most weeks provided the team plays with the requisite ability to hit targets, and play football for each other.

(05-07-2015, 10:39 PM)Lods link Wrote:On the other hand what do we have to lose by seeing this season out with Mick.

(05-08-2015, 01:52 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:I read the rest of your post mate but this comment stood out. What we have to lose is getting 15+ games into blokes like Watson and Graham and any other kid we have on the list, because Mick doesn't want to play them.

(05-08-2015, 02:11 AM)Pratty link Wrote:Carlton

B: Zach Tuohy, Kristian Jaksch, Sam Rowe.
HB: Andrejs Everitt, Kade Simpson, Andrew Walker.
C: Sam Docherty, Chris Judd, Tom Bell.
HF: Dale Thomas, Levi Casboult, Dennis Armfield.
F: Bryce Gibbs, Liam Jones, Blaine Boekhorst.
Foll: Cameron Wood, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
I/C: Dylan Buckley, Ed Curnow, David Ellard, Nick Graham, Troy Menzel, Robert Warnock, Mark Whiley (Three to be omitted).

If all fit I'd be cutting from that extended bench - Curnow, Ellard and Warnock. Play the younger blokes for while now IMHO!