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Re: Are we "hard" enough - Thryleon - 09-14-2024
Hard yes.
Ruthless. No. In that regards we are perceived to be a bit soft, but we are not what we used to be in that regard. Once upon a time you hit us physically and we'd fold. Now we don't fold.
Re: Are we "hard" enough - madbluboy - 09-14-2024
(09-14-2024, 05:12 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Hard yes.
Ruthless. No. In that regards we are perceived to be a bit soft, but we are not what we used to be in that regard. Once upon a time you hit us physically and we'd fold. Now we don't fold.
This.
We're not soft but there haven't been many premiership sides of recent seasons that are as nice as us.
Re: Are we "hard" enough - Professer E - 09-14-2024
I genuinely believe that some clubs - Geelong, Norf and the Whorks are some that think we are soft - I'll define this by saying that they think they can do stuff to us without any comebacks. We're too nice and continuously suffer for it. We don't play around the edges and margins like other clubs. Those fringe margins win you a game or two extra here and there.
Umpires won't protect you, they can barely interpret the rules as it is. I saw six dangerous tackles last night, three were paid. How many will get rubbed out for it like Owies, a "nice" Carlton player?
The only bloke who has pushed back in recent memory was Yarran slotting Chappy, who had been gagging for it for years. Robbo should have dropped the Geelong runner who clogged the hole and stopped us from beating those cheats
Re: Are we "hard" enough - pinot - 09-14-2024
I think weve got some hardnuts that dont take a backward step.
Cripps, Acres, Newman, Hewett, Docherty McGov even Boyd are tough hombres that barely lose their one on ones
We missed out on cohesion and availability this season and looked disjointed compared to other top eight sides due to the week to week changes and long injury lay offs to key players.
But in terms of contested ball and winning one on ones - don't think there is a team better.
Re: Are we "hard" enough - Blue Moon - 09-14-2024
Are we hard enough? - No!
Re: Are we "hard" enough - Professer E - 09-14-2024
Weeters is no. 1 for winning one on ones in the comp.
Re: Are we "hard" enough - Baggers - 09-14-2024
Our hardness and toughness seem conditional. And Pinot is right, it's psychological for us. We have the ability and can be hard and tough but fail to do it consistently, in games and week to week.
In too many games/quarters when the opposition hits us hard we resort to safe; we go into our shells. Hardness and toughness are dialled down as confidence weakens - above the shoulders. At our best, we've plenty of hardness and toughness but it wavers far too much. Being mentally tough does not allow that to happen.
Last night I saw two sides with persistent mental hardness and toughness, from the first bounce right to the final siren. The physical hardness and toughness flowed from the psychological relentless determination and ruthless, even desperate, commitment to every contest.
Re: Are we "hard" enough - Macca37 - 09-14-2024
Baggers, an excellent description of our problems.
Re: Are we "hard" enough - Gointocarlton - 09-14-2024
(09-14-2024, 09:01 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Weeters is no. 1 for winning one on ones in the comp.Last year, not this year. Ranked about 8th for defensive 1 on 1s lost.
Re: Are we "hard" enough - Lods - 09-14-2024
The old hard tough footballer is just that....a thing of the past.
The game has changed to the point where you can't just run through players, bump or swing them in tackles.
Even as recently as a player like Voss.
He'd spend most of the year suspended under to-days rules.
Toughness these days is players like Cripps dragging his team along with him, or Petracca's efforts against us in the last quarter of the game against Melbourne earlier in the year.
Toughness today is all about pressure and pushing yourself to the limits.
We haven't been a tough side this year.
Injuries and players playing injured have restricted our ability to apply that pressure.
But we were a tough side last year, until we ran out of steam at the end.
We have the capability to get back to that type of football...but an additional few 'toughies' wouldn't hurt.