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Re: The EV thread - northernblue - 01-26-2024
I’m hearing from non Australian ev owners that battery degradation is minimal and they are expecting the batteries to outlast the car itself.
Sure, only time will tell but I wouldn’t want a ice petrol with 300,000km+ but these ev owners believe they’ll be getting 600-1000000km, if the body lasts
Re: The EV thread - LP - 01-26-2024
(01-26-2024, 01:20 PM)northernblue date Wrote:I’m hearing from non Australian ev owners that battery degradation is minimal and they are expecting the batteries to outlast the car itself.I'm afraid it's a fantasy.
Sure, only time will tell but I wouldn’t want a ice petrol with 300,000km+ but these ev owners believe they’ll be getting 600-1000000km, if the body lasts
It fairly easy to discredit, with what is starting to happen with Tesla's. Not only are they already seeing drop offs in capacity and range, but in places like California they are generating stockpiles of EV waste.
btw., All the EV's cap charge to about 80% of the initially rated capacity, the end users don't see the drop happening until it starts to eat into that 80% region, so the first few years look golden before they come to a cliff edge. I appreciate if you have a small to medium EV city car you might never get to the region that is critical and might not even notice the battery is down 50%, but we were talking about 4WDs.
At the moment, the battery industry is a bit like SolarPV, it's full of cowboys who won't be here in a decade when the warranty claims start rolling in. They build the factories, win the contracts, then sell the business to your pension fund!
Re: The EV thread - kruddler - 01-26-2024
(01-26-2024, 10:05 AM)LP link Wrote:For me waiting for a reliable PHEV might be a long wait, when the first ones come out they'll struggle. A mate just took delivery of a brand new top end Merc FEV 4WD, his summary after 3 months, "Piece of crap, I want my money back".
You pay all that money, and it's a lot like $180K, and the thing breaks down and is off the road for a week at a time twice in the first 3 months. No genuine local support, technicians coming in from OS, so he's gone back to diesel.
I'm not sure if it's better to wait for Hydrogen 4WD if you want to go green, it's already working reliably in buses and trucks, you just need more filling options to appear and they will eventually.
Care to elaborate on piece of crap??
The car will be on a 3 year lease which will then be passed onto the wife while i get a new 3 year lease and the cycle continues of hand me downs. With the oldest one getting sold.
My worry is, by the time it gets to that 6 year mark, so much in the industry will have changed that it could be a piece of scrap and that's about it.
That could be if it's diesel or if it's an ev which is superseded by a better tech by then.
It could be because the car is close to its of life or its technology is or its taxed out of existence with rising fuel costs....or simple much better running costs from an equivalent.
There doesn't seem to be a clear path for any one area as there have been no governmental certainty in our next direction as a society.
Do you buy vhs or beta or hold out for laser disc? Only to be made redundant by DVD and then streaming?
Re: The EV thread - DJC - 01-27-2024
(01-26-2024, 01:20 PM)northernblue link Wrote:I’m hearing from non Australian ev owners that battery degradation is minimal and they are expecting the batteries to outlast the car itself.
Sure, only time will tell but I wouldn’t want a ice petrol with 300,000km+ but these ev owners believe they’ll be getting 600-1000000km, if the body lasts
Yes, most EV manufacturers guarantee batteries for 8 years/160,000km and informed estimates suggest that they'll last 10-20 years, but with performance diminishing more rapidly after the 10 year mark. However, EV batteries will degrade more quickly if exposed to temperatures below 0C and above 27C. Clearly, that will present problems for Australian users, but not Tesla owners as their batteries are protected by a thermal management system. Fast charging also degrades batteries.
There's an interesting blog about a cove towing a caravan around Australia with a Tesla. It is a specially designed pop-up type caravan rather than the over GCM monstrosities many folk seem to tow. He's having a ball and no issues ... yet.
TV "personality" Craig "Macca" McGowan recently gained publicity by exposing a "diesel fueled EV charging station" at Caiguna on the Nullabor. In fact, the charging station is powered by cooking oil from the roadhouse and diesel is only used to start it during cold weather. Just more "shouting at each other" as Robert Pepper put it.
Re: The EV thread - cookie2 - 01-27-2024
If I ever buy another vehicle in my life I will probably strongly consider an EV. As long as my present ICE vehicle keeps going then I'll probably settle for that. At my present rate of distance covered per year I should be OK.
Re: The EV thread - LP - 01-27-2024
(01-26-2024, 09:58 PM)kruddler date Wrote:Care to elaborate on piece of crap?They would be driving on the freeway in moderate conditions and it would go completely dead and roll to a stop, nothing, not even brake lights or emergency lights. Luckily it wasn't at night, however.
The dealer claimed there was nothing wrong with it, then further investigation from the owner found heaps of similar experiences from other users. The last time the dealer had it, the third time it had cut out, the dealer took it for a test drive and it cutout in traffic, no brake lights the vehicle following behind ran up it's ar5e. So this is a new vehicle, original owner only 3 months old and the dealer has pranged it. So you think it's a replace, no they want to send it for panel beating and repair and give it back 3 - 4 weeks later.
Piece of crap!
Re: The EV thread - DJC - 01-27-2024
(01-27-2024, 03:19 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:If I ever buy another vehicle in my life I will probably strongly consider an EV. As long as my present ICE vehicle keeps going then I'll probably settle for that. At my present rate of distance covered per year I should be OK.
No big outback trips planned Cookie?
Re: The EV thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-27-2024
Tesla's battery warranties are a bit like getting the ball replaced in test cricket when it goes out of shape, you get a refurbished battery with the same wear and tear in terms and years. Also most dont know there is no spare tyre or even dinky spacesaver due to their being no room in most Ev's including Tesla's and you get a tyre repair kit which if you have used them wont work for a lot of people and you will need to call the Tesla tech support to send the repair van. Given the weight of EV's they are also very prone to punctures as Tesla owners will tell you and tyres wear out way quicker with that extra weight and I suspect the extra torque created and you will be looking at a new set of Continentals much sooner than anticipated. Insurance is expensive and Elon Musk hasnt done much for the already poor depreciation value by keep dropping the new car price every time the opposition car makers come out with cheaper vehicles. You would want to be doing a fair few km's a year imo to make them worthwhile and Im with Cookie that I will be keeping my dirty polluting combustion vehicles for a while yet.
I wont be tempted by the cheap Chinese rubbish either even if they are selling well like they are now.....even though they account for close to 60% of the worlds EV's and counting.
If you do have to buy one then Krud has the right idea with the leasing angle and generous Govt subsidies for vehicles below $89K.
Re: The EV thread - northernblue - 01-27-2024
Dunno about a lot of that EB.
I know a guy with a Tesla, the suv one, he made it sound like the spare was an option and even up here the Tesla roadside assist is a thing, I don’t know about the battery replacement situation.
I’m on a Thailand forum and the guys with the Chinese ev’s are very happy with them, build, ride, comfort and tech.
The tyre wear if it was ever a major issue, apparently there are tyres designed specifically for ev’s now.
Thats what I hear…
Re: The EV thread - Thryleon - 01-27-2024
Boss drives a Porsche Taycan Ev. It's an amazing car.
I've generally heard great things from everyone who has an EV.
I suspect the early adopters won't be dissapointed. The ones who will be most dissapointed will be when they hit the lower cost higher profit part of the equation. Whilst their innovating you'll get the odd one that's a lemon but most of them will be fine because all the R and D is going into making them work rather than work cheaply. Soon you'll get second rate versions hitting the market.
Like any other car really. This isn't like the first EFI cars where they were different and worse initially. This is a much bigger disruption.