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Re: 2023: A review - pew2 - 09-25-2023
i am rapt we played finals and won a couple of games but what concerns me is our game plan /style for me it is no good . There is no other team that kicks ball straight to opposition so many times through out a game ,so what happens turnover opponents easy goals . But we played finals yes and we won but how lucky were we with syd /melb in inaccuracies . Need to IMPROVE transition footy from defence to forward line for 24
Re: 2023: A review - tonyo - 09-25-2023
Apart from the obvious on-field performance improvement, I think the desire of Cook et al to make CFC a 'good club' is well on the way. It's one thing to get your act together on the field, but it has been said many times that success is born out of a stable, supportive and forward-thinking administration (which we haven't had for 25+ years).
'Stronger Together' is the best way to sum that all up. Kudos to those who are working to make this happen.
Re: 2023: A review - Thryleon - 09-25-2023
(09-25-2023, 05:51 AM)pew2 link Wrote:i am rapt we played finals and won a couple of games but what concerns me is our game plan /style for me it is no good . There is no other team that kicks ball straight to opposition so many times through out a game ,so what happens turnover opponents easy goals . But we played finals yes and we won but how lucky were we with syd /melb in inaccuracies . Need to IMPROVE transition footy from defence to forward line for 24
I don't think thats the game plan. I think thats what you call errant and rushed ball use. No one goes out there intending to hit an opponent with each and every kick.
For me, it comes down to game management. We were 5 goals up, conceded 2 in the second quarter, and instead of recognising a momentum swing had occurred, we continued taking the game on and playing fast, which led to quick kicks up the line, and long bombing.
That was the mistake. At some point you need to kill the momentum game, by playing kick mark football and that arrests the momentum. Instead we seemed to have gone into scoring mode which is anathema to maintaining a lead, and also exposes you to a red hot opponent who is currently on the ascendency scoring against you almost seemingly at will.
Re: 2023: A review - DJC - 09-25-2023
(09-25-2023, 09:02 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I don't think thats the game plan. I think thats what you call errant and rushed ball use. No one goes out there intending to hit an opponent with each and every kick.
For me, it comes down to game management. We were 5 goals up, conceded 2 in the second quarter, and instead of recognising a momentum swing had occurred, we continued taking the game on and playing fast, which led to quick kicks up the line, and long bombing.
That was the mistake. At some point you need to kill the momentum game, by playing kick mark football and that arrests the momentum. Instead we seemed to have gone into scoring mode which is anathema to maintaining a lead, and also exposes you to a red hot opponent who is currently on the ascendency scoring against you almost seemingly at will.
I'm not sure that slowing the tempo would have done much more than delay the inevitable Thry. I think that we had too many banged up players and too many who weren't able to play at their best for whatever reason. They were trying to counter Brisbane but too many just couldn't match their opponents on the day. The fact that it wasn't a blow out is a tribute to some very hard working players but I think that cloning Sam Walsh is probably the only way we could win.
Game plans always get a tweak or two but I wouldn't like to see ours change that much. A bit more polish on the execution wouldn't go astray.
Re: 2023: A review - pew2 - 09-29-2023
just hope winning those 2 finals game doesn't cover the cracks ,we were very LUCKY this time .To take next step need to add pace speed into the team and somehow work on transition footy over summer . I DONT want to see long bombs in 24 .
Re: 2023: A review - laj - 09-29-2023
That last part would be a very Carlton thing. Happened to sides in the past, Namely Geelong in 2006 and Richmond in 2016. Soon woke them up the next year.
Re: 2023: A review - laj - 09-29-2023
(09-29-2023, 04:00 AM)pew2 link Wrote:just hope winning those 2 finals game doesn't cover the cracks ,we were very LUCKY this time .To take next step need to add pace speed into the team and somehow work on transition footy over summer . I DONT want to see long bombs in 24 .
We were moving the ball beautifully during the earlier part of our run but as the run extended over the weeks the effort took it's toll. We kept winning but were able to move the ball like we were earlier in the run. When that happens, you run yourself out of options, hence it's down the line, bomb forward etc. We were brilliant defensively for many more weeks and that got us over the line in cliffhangers but weren't transitioning as we should. Also what helped is that we became a very mentally tough side, extremely hard to break. Even against Brisbane, where a 40+ loss should happened, we found a way of keeping it to 16pt and give ourselves a very small sniff with 8 minutes or so left.
Re: 2023: A review - LP - 09-29-2023
(09-29-2023, 06:53 AM)laj date Wrote:We were moving the ball beautifully during the earlier part of our run but as the run extended over the weeks the effort took it's toll. We kept winning but were able to move the ball like we were earlier in the run.Fans talk like this is all down to us, but the reality is the opposition learn and change tactics so you have to continually evolve or die.
Anyone who thinks there is a formula for winning is fooling themselves, become predictable and the opposition will cut you down.
Re: 2023: A review - Sub-Zero - 09-29-2023
(09-29-2023, 06:53 AM)laj link Wrote:We were moving the ball beautifully during the earlier part of our run but as the run extended over the weeks the effort took it's toll. We kept winning but were able to move the ball like we were earlier in the run. When that happens, you run yourself out of options, hence it's down the line, bomb forward etc. We were brilliant defensively for many more weeks and that got us over the line in cliffhangers but weren't transitioning as we should. Also what helped is that we became a very mentally tough side, extremely hard to break. Even against Brisbane, where a 40+ loss should happened, we found a way of keeping it to 16pt and give ourselves a very small sniff with 8 minutes or so left.The defensive effort can't be faulted and you're right, nine wins out of the last ten, some by small margins, yet only really confirmed for finals in the second last round. We really had a lot to do, but we did it! No team wins pretty all the time. The long bombs are a part of fatigue and being a bit unsteady with ball movement, but yeah, the defence was something we never gave into. The long bombs are also to some extent I find, damage minimisation in case we do or will lose the ball in any case. With deliberate out of bounds being much stricter now and umpires being hot on holding the ball, sometimes the panic kicks long are in fact, the best option to go to. They can create space and with more ground-ball players around, can result in scores as the ball moves forward more. Even on turnover, territory is gained and the players are behind the ball, making it difficult for the opposition to score, as was the case in the second half of the year. Sometimes, it simply could be worse.
Edit: More speed to run and move the ball in chains, while keeping possession, yes on that.
Re: 2023: A review - Sub-Zero - 09-29-2023
(09-25-2023, 02:56 AM)pinot link Wrote:A couple of years overdue but finally got there.A second key defender to partner with Weitering. I think Young will stay in '24, reckon he'll be better next year than this one. I reckon we've lost to the premiers in waiting tomorrow in any case.
It's amazing what a healthy list does to a team.
Expectations met " We don't want to make up the numbers - we want to impact" and did exactly that.
I actually think this list is more than good enough to win a flag - a couple of additions to the squad will help. Zac Williams is a classy player and his foot skills will be a welcome return.
Bit more class in the forward half.
Top two next year lads.