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Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - DJC - 07-15-2023
Assuming Harry will miss at least a week, who comes in to replace him?
Lewis Young is an option. He can clunk a mark and brings the ball to the ground. He should know our forward running patterns and he could take forward 50 ruck contests.
Then there’s Harry Lemmey. He has a similar skill set to Young but is more comfortable as a forward. I think that he’s probably a pre-season away from AFL standard but we’re playing Wet Toast.
O’Keeffe is very raw but he can clunk a mark and is a good set shot for goal. The VFL rucks tend to rest forward - O’Keeffe is often given a spell by Lemmey - so he would know our forward structures and running patterns. Probably too big an ask though.
We could just leave Charlie and Jack as our key forwards and go with the same structure as we used for most of the Port game. Binns or Hollands could replace Harry in the 22 or does Paddy Dow get a full game? I think yesterday’s effort showed why he’s on the margins.
I’d be tempted to give Lemmey a run but I think the MC will go with Binns.
Cowan in for Boyd (suspended).
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - LP - 07-16-2023
(07-15-2023, 11:24 PM)DJC date Wrote:Assuming Harry will miss at least a week, who comes in to replace him?I suspect Pitto will be back next week if fit, we can't expect that level of solo output from Charlie week after week, it would run him into the ground and he'll get injured.
Pretty much the same applies to TDK, I'd leave SoJ in F50 while his confidence is up, and ruck Pitto and TDK in rotation.
I was fearing things in the 3rd quarter as both Charlie and TDK started landing awkwardly and losing their feet, which happens more when fatigue sets in. Fans ignore the cost of performing like this they just shout out questions about why don't we play like that all the time, there is a very good reason for the variability!
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - LP - 07-16-2023
(07-15-2023, 11:24 PM)DJC date Wrote:Cowan in for Boyd (suspended).Didn't Boyd release the opponent before he hit the deck?
There is a huge difference between pinning an arm and slinging them with two actions to the ground, and the opponent collapsing under a pure tackle despite being released before hitting the deck.
I suspect MRO will charge Boyd, which is what the AFL want to do to avoid long term liability, and we'll appeal and he'll get off. Fans have to remember, many umpires and tribunal officials are lawyers or judges by day!
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - DJC - 07-16-2023
(07-16-2023, 01:10 AM)LP link Wrote:Didn't Boyd release the opponent before he hit the deck?
There is a huge difference between pinning an arm and slinging them with two actions to the ground, and the opponent collapsing under a pure tackle despite being released before hitting the deck.
I suspect MRO will charge Boyd, which is what the AFL want to do to avoid long term liability, and we'll appeal and he'll get off. Fans have to remember, many umpires and tribunal officials are lawyers or judges by day!
I think Boyd's gorn. The umpire paying the free and Byrne-Jones getting concussed is probably too much of an obstacle for our legal team to surmount. I thought the free was pretty rough when it was paid but changed my mind after watching the replay. Boyd may well have released Byrne-Jones but he did sling him into the turf.
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - kruddler - 07-16-2023
(07-15-2023, 11:24 PM)DJC link Wrote:Assuming Harry will miss at least a week, who comes in to replace him?
Assuming Pittonet is fit, he comes in and TDK/Jack play forward/backup ruck.
We can play Pittonet out of the square on occassions if we want to give TDK an extended run in the ruck and kick on his head.
If Pitt doesn't come up, then it could get messy.
As a bit of a left field option,
Bring in Marchbank to play down back and switch McGovern forward.
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - Gointocarlton - 07-16-2023
(07-16-2023, 01:10 AM)LP link Wrote:Didn't Boyd release the opponent before he hit the deck?The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.
There is a huge difference between pinning an arm and slinging them with two actions to the ground, and the opponent collapsing under a pure tackle despite being released before hitting the deck.
I suspect MRO will charge Boyd, which is what the AFL want to do to avoid long term liability, and we'll appeal and he'll get off. Fans have to remember, many umpires and tribunal officials are lawyers or judges by day!
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - LP - 07-16-2023
(07-16-2023, 05:02 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.Even so, they are umpiring and adjudicating based on a legal liability, not on a specific act.
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - kruddler - 07-16-2023
(07-16-2023, 05:02 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.
Kosi ran into an umpire and got concussed. Was that the umpires fault? Did he get suspended??
We need to stop convicted people based on outcomes and rather on the act.
Wasn't even a free kick, certainly shouldn't be suspended.
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - rocky - 07-16-2023
(07-16-2023, 08:05 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Kosi ran into an umpire and got concussed. Was that the umpires fault? Did he get suspended??errr, pretty sure a free kick was paid and a goal was scored?
We need to stop convicted people based on outcomes and rather on the act.
Wasn't even a free kick, certainly shouldn't be suspended.
Re: AFL Rd 19 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast at marvel - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-16-2023
(07-16-2023, 05:02 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:The bloke was concussed as a result of the tackle, EOS.Agree..Think it will be the duty of care to land the player safely and given it was a concussion and Byrne Jones will miss games its going to be a suspension imo.