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Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - rocky - 07-09-2023

(07-09-2023, 09:40 AM)townsendcalling link Wrote:How hard, and important is Jack Martin! Fumbled early, but put in a great second half, his pressure is elite! (That bump!!)
One of the dead-set highlights of the game. 2 weeks in a row he's done that. Hope he can stay fit

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Micky0 - 07-09-2023

(07-09-2023, 09:30 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Probably our best win this season given how hard it is to beat Freo at home and with the handicap of no ruckman.
Yep the last two two wins were vs rubbish teams but this was a decent win and a good team effort overall and I thought Harry played a very good all-round game and Walsh returned to more of his usual form. Sorry to see Kennedy injured as he is one of my fav players but Hewett should prove a able replacement vs Port next week.
Yep ruckman are over rated but the physical wear and tear aspects of using part timers vs proper ruckman might show in the next few weeks if we don't have our front liners back.
it wasn’t just the win. But the way the win happened. Comprehensive. I didn’t feel as nervous as usual when they got a few in a row, I felt confident they’d go on with it. Nice change.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - pinot - 07-09-2023

One of the best all round wins on every line I have seen in a while.

A few boys out there need to give themselves a pat on the back for that performance

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Gointocarlton - 07-09-2023

(07-09-2023, 09:27 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Excellent and professional win. Loved it, our defence was great.
Weiters and Saad where HUGE! Gov was also very good to be fair.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - deepbluesee - 07-09-2023

I was very impressed,  especially early when the game was there to be won, with the slick, in close, ball movement.  Seemed to position well for the receive but importantly they spotted targets and most often hit them.
Often we seem to do the inside flick around as a defensive/panic move but today they seemed to use it to attack.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Lods - 07-09-2023

I think we're going to have to face the fact sooner or later.
It's time to let it go and accept it. Sad

The best ruckman on our list is Harry McKay ;D
( well he was probably our best ruckman today) Wink

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - crashlander - 07-09-2023

(07-09-2023, 09:22 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Ruckman are overrated
It only looks that way because Darcy isn't the smartest ruckman going around (just one of the strongest). He is fairly predictable in how he plays and how he delivers the ball. If he changed things up occasionally, make himself more predictable to him teammates instead of his opponents, it would be different.
To be honest, not a lot of modern ruckmen are matchwinners; they do a lot of push and shove and forget some of the most important lessons in ruck play.
NicNat has been one of the most complete rucks of recent times; he guides taps do moving mids, he doesn't just do the same things any time, he is willing to give the ball a huge bash sometimes and he often is in the play after the initial contest. he is the sort of ruck that makes premierships.
Not many of that type around these days. There are a lot of crash and bash rucks, who can be effective, but most don't deliver the ball that well.
Pittonet is a crash and bash type, but he can aim his taps pretty well. Not as good this year as he was last, but other teams. have done a lot more work on him, and he has been injured or recovering from injury a lot. But he has the problem in that he is predictable; he almost never smashes the ball forward, for example. That can be a lethal trick, if his mids are ready for it.

Breeann Moody does the big smash more than most rucks. The problem was that few of our mids were prepared for it. That has changed a bit, while Moody is developing her directional tapping better than she used to.

To be a great ruck, you need to be a thinker, not just strong, which limits many modern rucks.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - crashlander - 07-09-2023

(07-09-2023, 09:38 AM)laj link Wrote:Two games at Optus this year for a combined winning margin of 161 points.

Maybe we still think it is the old Optus Oval and we feel at home...haha.
If only!
Now we need to learnt to win in Adelaide.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Gointocarlton - 07-09-2023

(07-09-2023, 10:26 AM)crashlander link Wrote:It only looks that way because Darcy isn't the smartest ruckman going around (just one of the strongest). He is fairly predictable in how he plays and how he delivers the ball. If he changed things up occasionally, make himself more predictable to him teammates instead of his opponents, it would be different.
To be honest, not a lot of modern ruckmen are matchwinners; they do a lot of push and shove and forget some of the most important lessons in ruck play.
NicNat has been one of the most complete rucks of recent times; he guides taps do moving mids, he doesn't just do the same things any time, he is willing to give the ball a huge bash sometimes and he often is in the play after the initial contest. he is the sort of ruck that makes premierships.
Not many of that type around these days. There are a lot of crash and bash rucks, who can be effective, but most don't deliver the ball that well.
Pittonet is a crash and bash type, but he can aim his taps pretty well. Not as good this year as he was last, but other teams. have done a lot more work on him, and he has been injured or recovering from injury a lot. But he has the problem in that he is predictable; he almost never smashes the ball forward, for example. That can be a lethal trick, if his mids are ready for it.

Breeann Moody does the big smash more than most rucks. The problem was that few of our mids were prepared for it. That has changed a bit, while Moody is developing her directional tapping better than she used to.

To be a great ruck, you need to be a thinker, not just strong, which limits many modern rucks.
Agree with all that, but I think credit needs to go to the Coaches and Mids for working hard on a plan to combat ruck dominance at ground level.  Credit to the coaches for giving the mids confidence and credit to the mids for sticking to the plan and keeping there chins up.
Darcy 58
Jackson 11
Treacy 1
Total 70

Young 10
H 6
SOS 2
Total 18

Thats a smashing in any language smart or not and yet, apart from Frees and Centre Clearances, we won every other stat.

That was as selfless, workmanlike, determined, team a performance as I have seen from a Carlton side in many years.

Pleasingly unexpected.


Re: AFL Rd 17 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - crashlander - 07-09-2023

You have to like some of pour stats:
[1] Cripps had 29 possessions, 10 clearances and 5 tackles.
[2] Cerra had 27 possessions, 1 goal, 6 tackles and 6 clearances.
[3] H had 20 possessions from CHF, 3 goals 2 behinds, 8 marks, 6 hit outs and 4 tackles. How complete is that from a CHF!?!

We win the clearances comfortably (41 to 35), yet they have 70 taps!
And we were outscored in the last quarter, which evened up the stats a bit!